The laws of physics state that everything in motion must have a mover.
The wind comes from the different gases in the atmosphere heating up differently from the sun's rays and the sun's rays come from nuclear reactions and the nuclear reactions came from the big bang and the big bang must have had a mover.
We call that mover God.
God does not have to have a creator because he is outside of space and time so he is exempt from this.
Agree?
2007-09-17 10:20:48 · 25 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
No. Disagreed.
Just like the other things you mentioned, there is no reason to not believe that the Big Bang had a natural cause, as opposed to a supernatural one. Your fallacy is one of Appeal to Incredulity/Appeal to Ignorance.
A logical fallacy cannot be unheld as proof of anything.
El Chistoso
2007-09-17 10:28:16 · answer #1 · answered by elchistoso69 5 · 1⤊ 1⤋
No, it doesn't make sense.
Everything that exists (that humans can confirm exists) operates under natural laws. If a god is relevant, meaning it intervenes in natural processes (as most religions claim), then there is no evidence for a god yet and no reason to believe that any god exists.
The watchmaker's argument is not necessary. Something that exists does not need something to have created it, and if this were true than even god would need a creator. But if it is not true, and a god could have existed without a creator, then why not just say that the universe could have existed without a creator, and reduce the unnecessary complexity?
"outside of space in time" doesn't make sense to me. It is just a simple way to say "I want to believe my god is real, so I'll put every theological concept into 'outside of time and space,' so as to close off empirical debate on the issue." Since other religions claim this about their mutually exclusive gods, that still leaves no reason to believe in a specific deity.
The evolution of self-awareness and intelligence from physical processes leads me to believe that no god is needed for existence.
Even more compelling against the idea of god is the study of religion. Different religions use their beliefs for purely social reasons, and each theology is tailored to the fears of believers (fear of death, wish for justice and extrinsic moral rulebook, etc). It's all psychological.
Edit: I agree with Zeizman. This is one of the better theistic arguments on this forum. Usually we get things like "convert to x or go to hell," "science is bad," etc.
2007-09-17 10:34:22 · answer #2 · answered by Dalarus 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
I guess that means that you call the unkown thing that started the big bang god.
The big bang had a mover, just like the sun, nuclear reactions and compression/expansion of matter.
If this is the best proof of god you can conjure, then you deserve what you believe.
2007-09-17 10:30:04 · answer #3 · answered by BAL 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
no, i don't agree
i am a christian and you are a thesitic evolutionist. i think thats what they're called, but im probably wrong. not saying you're not a christian, just that your theology is messed up.
anyway, the big bang didn't happen. we did not evolve from primates. god did not cause the big bang. god did not cause single cells to form and eventually become all we have today. if you read genesis you can see that the universe was created in seven literal days. each day is not a metaphorical millions or billions of years. cause if they were metaphorical, we couldn't have plants made the day before the sun was made. plants die a long time before a billion years without light. plants were made the day before the sun, moon, and stars were made. : )
2007-09-17 10:53:04 · answer #4 · answered by toshiomagic 3 · 0⤊ 1⤋
Does not agree.
Try this part .....
God does not, nor has he ever existed, therefore the only creator god requires is the human mind. Man created god in his image, not the other way around.
And the law of physics you wrongly quoted was Newton's First Law of Motion, which states:
Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it.
2007-09-17 10:35:31 · answer #5 · answered by ndmagicman 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
By that same law, your god would require a mover... unless of course you think he is exempt (which you do), in which case you have made exception and thus invalidated your arguement. If god is outside of space/time, he cannot effect space time and is therefore irrelevant. As well as the other theories postulating an interdimensional collision could have triggered the big bang (which by your definition would not require a mover as interdimensionality is devoid of space/time.)
2007-09-17 10:25:43 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 6⤊ 2⤋
In my opinion,the question has no meaning due to the following fact. It is true that we can not believe on Almighty provided that there does not exist death of birth people on our universe. This provides information that after our death there is some power Who controle our universe even our death. As death of every one is a fundamental truth and this said truth, according to the history of science(Physics),the science says that death would occur at a particular place & time. Accordingly,science cannot predict about death and thus there is no scientific proof of God. Thanks to the questioner to ask such question to know the views about scientific views about God.
2007-09-18 06:07:47 · answer #7 · answered by misraop2004 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
There are alot of Scientific proofs out there leading to the fact that there is a creator but your hypothosis is kinda of an assumption like the whol evolution and natural selection stuff...but good ur on the right track.
2007-09-17 10:31:14 · answer #8 · answered by man oman 2 · 0⤊ 1⤋
If you're moving God outside the laws of physics, why can't you move the Big Bang outside the laws of physics instead?
2007-09-17 10:29:21 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 1⤋
I don't disagree on the general subject of God's existence, but I don't pretend that science can provide anything conclusive on the subject.
Attempting to prove whether God exists with science is like trying to adjust your attitude with a screwdriver.
2007-09-17 10:33:14 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋