Atheists (aka great thinkers)?

Question

according to scientists, the earth was cosmically bombarded, causing it to be filled with fire...so how did clouds and micro-organisms generate from fire? and when did this last happen?...and where did these cosmic rays come from in the first place??

I'm asking this q here and not in the science section because apparently Science text books are atheists' bibles

don't try to get all witty and please just give a straight forward answer

didnt say they are scientists, but they claim to be all knowing of science

prager, can't you just answer the question?..nobody mentioned God here except you

osborne..it is called bathing suits, you know for swimming? is that a sin or something to you??? I'm a christian and Jesus mentions it is not important the way you eat or what you wear cuz it doesnt define a person

do you guys change the subject because you dont have the answers? I am really curious about your answers, so don't underestimate my intentions of being informed

mystic renegade..last time I checked, fire (whether hot or cool) has no source of life, so how does it generate it?

::rolls eyes::
oh wow now I see in order to be Christian I must cover myself entirely, that is just ignorant..or is it immoral to wear swim suits??...what does that have to do with my question anyway?

rlrose63..I didn't dodge the other answers, they simply didnt answer all my qs..although your answer wasnt as thorough as I would like it, it was the best out of the bunch, ty

hmm..dont know why ppl think I asked this q to prove God exists...that wasnt my motive, I just wanted to point out that science itself has gaps since alot of atheists act as if they have got it all figured out..

Answer 1

I hesitate to answer your question because it appears you just want to be argumentative and snide. You've ignored a few good and valid answers so far just to argue with the remainder. But here's my answer anyway:

Believe it or not, we can survive without KNOWING everything. Humans created God so they'd have something to watch over them, someone to look to for their history, someone who created everything.

Personally, I feel the big bang theory makes much more logical sense than God molding it all and saying VOILA, LIFE! Besides, the Big Bang has nothing to do with the beginning of the universe, but the gradual growing of it over time. This is from talkorigins.org:

"The simple statement "something can not come out of nothing" is, in itself, not very convincing. From quantum field theory, we know that something does indeed come from nothing: to wit, "vacuum fluctuations". In the simplest case, an electron, a positron and a photon can appear effectively out of nowhere, exist for a brief time and then annihilate, leaving no net creation of mass or energy. Experimental support for this sort of effect has been found from a number of different experiments. See, for instance, the Wikipedia page for the Casimir effect.

"The common point for all of these effects is that they do not violate any known conservation laws of physics (e.g., the conservation of energy, momentum, and charge). Something can indeed come out of nothing as long as these conservation laws permit this. But people often argue that the Big Bang theory violates the conservation of energy (which is essentially the first law of thermodynamics).

"There are several valid counterarguments against this: first, as already pointed out, the BBT is not about the origin of the universe, but rather its development with time. Hence, any statement that the appearance of the universe "out of nothing" is impossible has nothing to do with what the BBT actually addresses. Likewise, while the laws of thermodynamics apply to the universe today, it is not clear that they necessarily apply to the origin of the universe; we simply do not know. Finally, it is not clear that one can sensibly talk about time "before the Big Bang". "Time" is an integral part of our universe (hence the GR term "spacetime") - so it is not clear how exactly one would characterize the energy before and after the Big Bang in a precise enough way to conclude it was not conserved."

Hope that helps.

Answer 2

I love Science and God and I don't think that science disproves God at all. Isn't it possible that the Big Bang was God's energy in the process of creating the heavens and the earth? I think so.

As for the earth being created from fire, this isn't exactly how I understood it. Sure, it was a part of the process and catalyst, but not the sole ingrediant from which everything was formed. It was estimated to be over billions of years that the 12 billion degrees following the Big Bang cooled down and it was during this process of cooling down that many stages of chemical changes took place over billions of years and all life evolved. There is a lot of information out there to explain this process better than I am able to do so. Science doesn't threaten my belief in God, it supports it. You and I may have different beliefs about what God is. I don't know if you meant to or not, but you sound a bit defensive.

Uh, I didn't suggest Fire had subtance I said it was a catalyst for the changes that allowed structure and life to form.

Answer 3

There is ample evidence that suggests it was precisely the heat and pressure of meteorite collisions with Earth the forced inorganic solids to combine in novel ways and form amino acids (organic building blocks). This would have been quite early on, when the atmosphere was not fully stabilized. The cosmic rays are remnant from supernovas, radiation clouds, or even the big bang itself.

It is sad that NOT knowing the answer to something has become the basis for belief in a deity for many. The God of the Gaps perspective requires just this kind of ignorance.

Answer 4

The fire built up heat and condensation in the atmosphere and the earth then was covered with water.

At least I think that is what you are asking. If you just research the big bang you will be given all the answers you are looking for.

Edit: The first form of life was through chemical responses. The earth had cooled and water was already abundant on earth. You keep saying "fire" but you disregard heat. Like I said before, all you need to do is research the big bang. Even though some people still do not like to believe it is true, it is accepted and proven on many levels in physics.

Answer 5

Since when did atheists "claim to be all knowing of science"?

Are you just trying to make the old tired argument of "If something can't be explained, then my deity must therefore be responsible for it."? Sorry, but the "God of the gaps" thing is just so trite.

If you REALLY wanted to know the answers to these questions, you could do the research on your own. Or at the very least go to the science section.

But I have the feeling that, like everybody else in this section who addresses science questions to atheists (and there have been a lot of them), you're just being insincere and don't really want an answer. I've played this game a million times before and know it all too well. If I gave you an answer, you'd either say "I don't have time to read that" or "So where did THAT come from?"

Of course, I'm sure you're going to be pretentious and deluded enough to call yourself the victor of this argument, just because nobody's willing to play the old attention-getting game of "Whoever asks 'why' more times and gets the last word in wins!".

Answer 6

A good question... though I think a little off.. no one claims that organisms generated "from fire" ...
abiogenesis is scientific field still in development, and it may always be.. but I don't think your argument from incredulity counts for much in the way of proving god's existence... which is the stealthed point you are trying to make with your question here.
Sure JC. There's a reason why you asked this question of atheists... you might as well have phrased the question in a way consistent with your motives. you are a christian, asking atheists why science cannot presently account for a certain phenomon.. and as a Christian your answer will always be the same for such presently unexplained mysteries: God did it!

Answer 7

A guy named Stanley Loyd in 1957 took a glas flask about the size of a basketball and put the basic gasses of primordial earth in it, carbon, hydrogen methene, sealed it and ran a spark between 2 electrodes. A few weeks later he took it apart and discovered amino acids, the building blocks of all life. A few hundred people over the last 50 years or more have done the same or similar experiments and have gotten the same results. Amino acids, the building blocks of life, can be formed from nothing more than the most common elements found in the universe and primordial energies. Multiply that experiment a few trillion times in a primordial suop over a few billion years and life forms.

Answer 8

I'm a christian (catholic specifically)...but, read a science book for this answer. I don't think scientists ever claimed life came from fire...lol. I believe the 2 second answer is that the earth was bombarded with meteors and comets, also radiation from the sun and stars, developed an atmosphere and oceans in which primitive forms of life developed...etc. etc. etc.

It was quite a long process and much much more involved than my little answer and certainly not simple.

Answer 9

There was no life until millions of years after earth formed, after it cooled. Water got to the planet from asteroids that struck earth (over a long time), they came from the outer part of the asteroid belt which had more water (they were about 20% water, which is allot).

Cosmic rays (from the sun) are repelled by earth's magnetic field, and what isn't repelled is sent to the poles (which is what causes the aurora).

Answer 10

I am having little faith right now. I'm have been having a rough time lately and it seems that God has turned his back on me. All my prayers seemed to be ignored. My cries for help are being ignored it seems. I have no where to turn and it keeps piling up on me. I ask you to pray for me. If God won't answer me maybe he will answer you. God Bless