Revelation 1:1 and the trinity???

Question

How does this scripture support the trinity? And where was Holy Spirit in all of this?

A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him...........

Jesus is God so who is this God who gave it to Jesus?

So explain how the trinity concept functions here that makes sense.

Dolores, but Jesus was already in heaven thus no longer a man when this revelation was made.

But Dolores you are making a lot of sense here, the logical sense.

Lion of Judah, but where does your definition fit in with Rev 1:1 without being a confusing paradox?

Lord of all, please stick to the question not a load of mumbo which is a non answer. If you have an answer then print it.

Answer 1

It doesn't.

Who is the ultimate Source of the Revelation, and what channel is used to transmit it? The opening verse tells us: “A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John.” (Revelation 1:1) To put it simply, the actual Source of the Revelation is Jehovah God, who gave it to Jesus, and by means of an angel, Jesus communicated it to John. A little further scrutiny reveals that Jesus also used the holy spirit (God's Active Force) to convey messages to the congregations and to give John visions.

Answer 2

If the trinity is true, who gave Jesus the revelation? Did he give it to himself?

Brian8907 proves how the trinity confuses people. He says: "God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are 3 separate entities who work together in a common goal. That is the trinity...3 things working as one."

That is NOT the trinity. Instead, the trinity is Father, Son, and holy spirit. According to Brian's description, there are more to the trinity than 3 "persons." God (Father, Son, and holy spirit), Jesus, and holy spirit. How many persons is that? I count 5, not 3.

Answer 3

The Trinity

God is a trinity of persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Father is not the same person as the Son; the Son is not the same person as the Holy Spirit; and the Holy Spirit is not the same person as Father. They are not three gods and not three beings. They are three distinct persons; yet, they are all the one God. Each has a will, can speak, can love, etc., and these are demonstrations of personhood. They are in absolute perfect harmony consisting of one substance. They are coeternal, coequal, and copowerful. If any one of the three were removed, there would be no God. (See also, "Another Look at the Trinity")
Jesus, the Son, is one person with two natures: Divine and Human. This is called the Hypostatic Union. The Holy Spirit is also divine in nature and is self aware, the third person of the Trinity.

Answer 4

The trinity is not introduced in the Bible. It's an idea that came later. There was great disagreement between early Christians as to whether Jesus was a man, a god, or both, and 'both' eventually won out.

Would you be happier with this passage if it read 'Which the father had given him'? Then you get into the argument that if they are all the same God, why don't they all know things simultaneously?

Answer 5

Read Isaiah 9:6

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Note this is a prophecy of the prophet Isaiah that describes the attributes of the coming Messiah, Jesus. Notice He is described as the Mighty God and the Everlasting Father. Jesus is the
Father in creation, the Son in redemption, and the Holy Spirit in Regeneration. He is the Almighty God Almighty. In order to be the sacrificial lamb and die for our sins, His deity remained in Heaven.As God He is able to do anything, including taking on a robe of flesh and become a man. Nothing is impossible for Him. It was His humanity that died at
calvary and in His humanity called out to God. Because He had taken on the sins for entire world God could not look upon Him because of the sin He represented at that point in time.

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John. Revelation represents Jesus in His humanity, not His deity while being crucified.

And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. Rev. 20:6 tells us that He is the beginning and the end, our creator and redeemer.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Rev. 21:13, again
Christ reiterates the fact that He and Him alone is both the beginning and the end.

Check John 1:1-4 and John 8:52-58 which tells us that Jesus preexisted before Abraham as God Almighty.

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Answer 6

I don't think the Trinity can be wholly supported in this single scripture, yet, "Jesus Christ" is two of the three leaving the Holy Ghost as issue out of the scripture in that single verse.

Holy Ghost being the Spiritual and the Christ being the Union of "God" and Jesus; or, "God" getting someone to hang with....at last.

Within the nature of reality each is a multi-demensional being and this is supported in Many-Many more documents outside of the "bible".

So, yes, the scripture "somewhat" supports the trinity and at minimum sheds light...

Answer 7

Jesus and God are two different beings. Jesus was a man and not God, and God is, well, God. Infinite God.

God revealed to Jesus, and Jesus revealed to John. The Bible does not support the trinity because it's a false doctrine.

Answer 8

God Jesus and the Holy Spirit are 3 seperate entities who work together in a common goal. That is the trinity...3 things working as one.

John 1:1 is better...

Answer 9

It doesn't. I have a post coming up along these same lines.

Here is my post from yesterday that asked a similar question concerning 1 John 5:7 which was altered to fit the false teaching of the trinity. In the post I have the KJV next to other translations that removed the addon.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AkdUII4RJCVTYckqIL3UrYPty6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20070916160409AAehgXN

Answer 10

They are Gods, becaused we called any voice we heard from out of the sky God.

Moses did in Deuteronomy 5:24-"and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth. Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die. For who is there of all flesh, that hath heard the voice of the living God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived? Go thou near, and hear all that the LORD our God shall say: and speak thou unto us all that the LORD our God shall speak unto thee; and we will hear it, and do it.

But Jesus told us in John 5:37 "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Who would you believe Moses or Jesus.

The voice that was heard in John 3:17 saying "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased" was the voice of the Holy Spirit.

For we called the Holy Spirit God also.
But if Jesus says Moses never heard the voice of God, who did Moses hear speaking out of the burning bush ?

Jesus told us that too. "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, Moses called the serpent (the devil) God.

Read Revelation 13:14-18 and then Numbers 21:4-9 are they both talking of Moses ?