What was Christ trying to tell us in these verses?

Question

Luke 17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you

John 14:20
At that day ye shall know that I [am] in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

John 10:34
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Please consider your answers carefully because either this is the road to truth or blasphemy.

No insult is intended. I think you have amnesia and don't remember who you are. Who I think you are would be called blasphemy. I take nothing out of context. I could tell you that you’re God and you’d laugh or I can quote Jesus and offend you for quoting scriptures. “Children of God” is full on Christ, all one with the Father. If that scares you then you aren’t there...yet. :)

Answer 1

I am a Christian Mystic taught a oral tradition. Most traditional Christians just will not see your view out of fear. They are taught to keep a closed mind, that anything that does not use their language & follow the dogma they were taught is dangerous. Christ's message has been twisted till it is almost unrecognizable, & anything mystical equals devil worship. They make their concept of God small, as well as their concept of us. God created us in his image, which means we are much more powerful than they believe. The traditionals say God created us so he would not be alone. Yet, their concept of man is akin to me being lonely for companionship so I buy a dog, it will not end my feelings of being lonely. Christ came to show the possibilities of man. When he spoke of his miracles he said , Ye shall do these things & More. When he said he was the way, he meant that the Christ mind, which is the united Sonship, is the way. The man Jesus was remarkable & in that lifetime transended the man & became the Christ. The second coming will be when we, as individuals transend our little self identy & return to our first estate. The Kingdom of God is not only within us , we are the kingdom of God. We are his son, & when we remember our first estate, really remember, God will see himself in us, & we will know ourselves in him. Nothing else really exists in reality. I refuse to label God. Anything added to God is limits him, even the so called good labels. We need to stop belittling & labeling ourselves. Jesus said if we had faith the size of a mustard seed we could move moutains. He also said that as a man thinks, so he is. Most don't do miracles because they believe they can not, they see themselves small. If a mustard seed size of belief is all that is needed to move mountains, imagine what we can do if we gave up the false humility & accepted our reality.

Answer 2

Gnostic don't mind the Christians they don't know what they are talking about. The whole point of the Luke verse was that... the pharisaic mindset applies things outwardly and he was saying that the kingdom will not come in the manner that they are thinking, because you must manifest the inner kingdom and when you do you will see that the kingdom is within you and all outside you.

Every verse you use, a Christian will attempt to talk it away, like that "among" stuff. Just ignore them, they have already rejected what the laws of God has placed before them in the Nag Hammadi and Dead Sea Scrolls which show that what they hold things as is from complete corruption. Look at the Thomas Gospel to understand what it is referring to, as the Thomas gospel expresses the sayings in a formate closer to its origins, which the biblical text are as corrupted as they come. Saying 113 is expressly about it, as well as saying 3.

3. Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the (Father's) kingdom is within you and it is outside you.

When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty."

113. His disciples said to him, "When will the kingdom come?"

"It will not come by watching for it. It will not be said, 'Look, here!' or 'Look, there!' Rather, the Father's kingdom is spread out upon the earth, and people don't see it."

Answer 3

I believe Luke references Hebrews 8:8 and Jeremiah 31:31-34.

We are attributes of Him placed here to experience His will. (atoms=molecule) There for there is no need to look for Him, persay but more to find His TRUTH

John 14:20- Is speaking about when we realize this truth we will understand that we are all connected through him. Whatever energy we put out returns in great magnitude neccessitating a need to remain in constant balance (good-evil) Matthew 18:3- we must become like children!

John 10:34- Jesus validates himself by using Jewish text (Proverbs 8) to prove his 'deitism' had nothing to do with blasphemy and more with what is revealed. Adam chose this lot...to think for himself and forgot the law. Jesus was just one of the select few that had 'come into the WORD' by obedience and faith.

Answer 4

Jesus is the Son of God.
We are all the children of God.
Can you not see from this that one day we will all know of the father.
Yet, only the son knows of the father.
We all know that we are the children of God.
Yet you can not see that the children of God Are the sons and daughters of God, and the bothers and sisters of Christ.
I am a son of God, Jesus in my big brother.
I learned of the father. I now know of the father as only the son knows of the father.
We all share the same I AM .
I AM that I AM that Jesus spoke of when he said, I AM , that I AM , Yet I AM John.
This is no riddle. It only appears as a riddle.
I have the truth that enables me to say these things and I hide it not. You must first look, then think, then maybe God willing you will see.
I did not ask for this. I just do as I am told.
That crazy old man is at it again!

Click on the red heading and read the original document written in 1987
You must read it from the beginning to the end do not scan it. That will be worse than useless as you will have no idea how I arrived at the result. It is also not for speed reading there is way to much information per page for speed reading. take your time and you will see.

Answer 5

The Kingdom of God was completed with the coming of Christ, you know when he was on the cross and he said, " Father, it is finished". Well, he was talking about, the plan of God, and Gods Kingdom, for it was planned right from the beginning, and it was, and is the final covenant, or agreement for people to be with God. Basically, The Last Chance !
Jesus was also referring to the concept of oneness when he said, " I in you and you in me, and they will be in us". Just as the father is God, The son is God, and The holy Spirit is God, and the three are the make-up, of One God, because they are all identical, or the same. This was also illustrated when Jesus told the priests of that day, that his words are not His own words, but the words of God, who is in Heaven, "I speak nothing of my own", He said.
Jesus wants for us to be united also, us being His children, or the church as some like to call it, but it is anyone who accepts Christ really, they don't have to go to church. The theif on the cross beside Jesus, didn't have time to go to church, and Jesus said to him, "you will be in paradise with me ".
Anyway, there's so much to talk about, isn't there ?

Answer 6

Big Picture?
Luke 17:21 - God lives within us all.
John 14:20 - God, man, angels, devils, wrathful dieties, atheists, buddhas, idiots....we are all interconnected, all ONE.
John 10:34 - As Jesus did, we can one day do.

Small picture? - You'll have to ask the devout Christians for this. I don't want to put words in their mouths.

Answer 7

The kingdom of God is within each of us and each of us will discover this in our own time and in our own way. Meditation, contemplation, silencing the mind, or any avenue that causes us to move our focus inwards, will assist us to know our true self.

We become aware of our connection with the all and the everything and we see more clearly that we really truly are all one within the one. We are all connected, for there is only one spirit
In our individual human forms we are experiencing different aspects of the one. We are all Gods, in the sense that we are creating our own dramas moment by moment.

In my opinion, Jesus was teaching about Love and connectedness.

Answer 8

We all are co-creators of the Kingdom of God/Reality. Whether the translation of the Luke example is "within you" or from the Aramaic "among you," the meaning is the same. We are embedded in the field of reality and it is responsive to consciousness, hence we each have tremendous responsibility for our part of the whole.

Answer 9

Excellent question, Gnosic. You and I both know very well what is being said. What is most interesting is the Christian response to the words found in their own bible. At first, I wondered why they would want to deny their own Divine nature and their Oneness with All That Is, then it occurred to me that to conceptualize oneself as That, is to deny the separate self as well as the separate God who loves them and promises to save them from themselves. The human must die, egoically at least, and so the Truth is turned away, rejected. The only Truth that could truly 'save' them. A very interesting irony.

Answer 10

I have long thought that he was saying "the Father and I are One" along with "And so can you be." Or even "And so are you."

There have been many philosophers who promoted the concept of pantheism: all is God. Or as Steve used to say, usually in a fake Asian accent, "All is one, my child."

In addition to various mystics, plenty of acid trippers have reached the same conclusion. Or perhaps a good acid trip really IS a mystical experience.

Disclaimer: It's still dangerous to your freedom, and you REALLY DON'T want to be tripping in the county jail, now do you???