Is it possible that Paul hijacked the message of Jesus and sent it astray to save the covenant with the Jews ?

Question

Jewish Rabbis would gladly give their life to save the covenant for their own people and not let it go to the "renegade" Jews who followed Jesus.

Could Rabbi Saul (St. Paul) have sacrificed his life to save the status of the Jews who denied Jesus (by adding paganism into Chritianity) and then making sure it also denied all the laws of God thereby negating the covenant.

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GEN017:009-10 -- And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. This is my Covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every male child among you shall be circumcised.

GAL005:002 --Behold, I Paul say unto you , that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
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Answer 1

Only in fervid imaginations.

Answer 2

No, simply because the Apostles also TAUGHT, "you must now be spiritual Jews, circumcised of the Heart and not of the Flesh." SO NOW it was a matter of making converts of not just Jews, but Gentiles and the Jews were demanding the Gentiles be circumcised, so they wrote to Paul asking and he wrote back to say, "no, Christ did away with the MOSAIC Covenant (Covenant with Moses) AND NOT the Abrahamic Covenant (your descendants will number amongst the stars) meaning that by looking at them, no one would ever be able to guess their numbers. King Saul(?) finally took a census and was basically cursed for it, because Abrahams descendants should never be numbered; in deferrence to the Covenant with Abraham and God.

Answer 3

No, because of the fact the Apostles additionally TAUGHT, "you should now be religious Jews, circumcised of the middle and not of the Flesh." SO NOW it became right into a count number of arising converts of no longer in basic terms Jews, yet Gentiles and the Jews have been annoying the Gentiles be circumcised, so they wrote to Paul asking and he wrote back to declare, "no, Christ did away with the MOSAIC Covenant (Covenant with Moses) and not the Abrahamic Covenant (your descendants will quantity among the celebrities) meaning that by ability of staring at them, no possible ever be able to wager their numbers. King Saul(?) finally took a census and became into in actuality cursed for it, because of the fact Abrahams descendants ought to in no way be numbered; in deferrence to the Covenant with Abraham and God.

Answer 4

Paul's motivation is debatable.

What's certain, is that Paul utilized the personality of this guy Jesus (whom he never knew personally) and spread a religion ABOUT him.

As opposed to spreading the religion OF Jesus, which was basically orthodox Judaism.

Paul was about developing a monotheistic religion based from Judaism, but with the essential part of Judaism (performing commandments) excised.

He saw the Greek/Roman world was ready for monotheism, but performing Torah commandments (like circumcision) a major stumbling block.

Pagan components, such as virgin birth and trinity, came later after the year 100 around the time of the Gospel of John. They weren't part of early Christianity.

Answer 5

Paul dropped the *difficult* parts of Judaism in order to find converts. How many Romans do you think would have converted if they had to circumcise themselves and follow the 613 commandments?

Did you ever wonder why the *church* is called the *Roman* Catholic Church?
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Answer 6

Calling paul 'rabbi saul' does not make you sound credible.
It makes you sound like all the despicable fools who attempt to hebraize xtianity in order to proselytize to Jews with ridiculous alterations like 'rabbi yeshua' instead of jezis. I know you think it makes you sound knowledgeable, but it doesn't; it does the opposite.


It makes you sound like one of those messy antic nuts.

Just a hint for the future, since doing what you did basically insures that no one with the knowledge required to give you a good answer will bother.
Not being a smartas*, I'm hoping you didn't realize what you did and this will help you.

Answer 7

I would seriously doubt it as the Covenant between God and the Children of Israel has never been in jeopardy.

Answer 8

Doubtful, especially since Jesus called Paul his chosen vessel:

Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

Paul bashing is nothing new, Peter wrote about it nearly 2,000 years ago:

2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Answer 9

Actually, if you truly read the Old Testament, you'd realize that circumcision moved from what it meant to Abraham--where a Jewish male's flesh would be cut back on his sexual organ--to something much deeper--circumcision of the heart--centuries before either Jesus/Yeshua or Rav Sha'ul/Paul-walked the planet as men.

Gen 17:11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

Deuteronomy 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Joshua 5:2 At that time the LORD said unto Joshua, Make thee sharp knives, and circumcise again the children of Israel the second time.

Jeremaiah 4:4 Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench [it], because of the evil of your doings.

If you read Jeremaiah 31:31-34; Isaiah 9, 53, 59 and 63; Ezekiel 34, Daniel 9, and the rest of the places where the prophesies were made about the Messiah ben Yoseph-the Suffering Servant--you'd see, as well, that the Rabbinic Jews actually were the cause FOR, not protection AGAINST the arrival of Jesus, who said in Matthe 5:23, He came to fulfill the prophesies, not to
abolish them.

It is something that Paul, Peter, John, Matthew, others all understood because they understood the Old Testament.
Look at the story of Aaron and his sons, being SEPARATED from the people, from the mixed multitudes, and made the high priests. They were told from the start they would not inherit the land, they would, instead get the wealth of the tithes (whatever did not go to Heaven would go to them). They were responsible for keeping the people true to the Law that G-D had given to Moses, of making sure they lived by the Torah, the Law of Moses.

But, they were men themselves, and they had their own iniquities, and greed was among them--wealth, the tithe--and because they were taking care of themselves, they did not take care of the people. They did not heal people on Sabbath, they did not bind the injured if they felt to do so was to violate G-D's word. They did not retrieve those who were lost, or bring those who had not learned the truth to see the ways of the L-RD.

The word "Pharisee" means Separated...so the very same people, the Levites, the descendants of Aaron and his sons, that were supposed to uphold the law, and did not, and were not supposed to inherit the land, and thus far have..were the ones that were hypocritical, and the true renegades.

Jesus did not speak against them for the first time when He appeared as man. He had spoken against them from the days of the Prophets, because He felt they had not tended to the word. But, as G-D, He had to have known this was to be the case.

Paul had been a Pharisee, one who wanted to slay the Believers because he
thought they were blaspheming until G-D Himself told Paul that Jesus was G-D, and that Paul was persecuting Him by speaking against Jesus.

The Pharisees, however, remained intent on holding onto the power, and overlooking what was in the Book from which they preached. It was in the words of the Prophets, and these Pharisees chose not to tell the people about it. It is not like they had the many printed copies that we now have...Guttenberg had over a millennium and a half to come before he produced the printing press. The people were believing what the Rabbis had told them, and were following like sheep...which is why G-D in the Old Testament, and then as He walked the Earth as Jesus, was sooo upset.

Jesus was trying to tell the people that which those who had been appointed by G-D had not told them--the TRUTH. All of it is in the Old Testament---why the way through the Father must be through the Son (Isaiah 53:12), why G-D would walk amongst us as Man (Ezekiel 34), why He would come as His Son (Isaiah 9). The Pharisees kept up the sacrificial system---that was the seal of the Old Testament.

The sacrificial system and having men serve as high priests was how man was to show he had accepted the Torah, the Law. That was what the New Testament was about--the change from the flesh to the spirit, from having to sacrifice to having Yeshua/Jesus make the greatest sacrifice-the Pascal Lamb being slaughtered so we would no longer have to make sacrifices for atonement, we simply would have to live in the way of the L-RD.

It no longer mattered if the foreskin of the flesh was cut back. It was being done for purification. If man lived a clean life, devoted to what Jesus had told us--adultery was of the heart, not just of the world; be above the law by being in the spirit which is higher than man-made laws; do not hate or want someone to die because that is as bad as actually killing them--then man, woman and child would receive salvation,

Read all of Galatians...That is what it says.
Read Hebrews 7:27 and you'll know why the system changed and what part of the system was changed.

Those who follow the Rabbis have yet to complete their journey because they have not yet understood what the New Testament is all about...and those who believe that the rabbis are symbolic of the true Jew also do not understand...they probably have learned from pastors, priests, ministers that which is there to be learned by our own reading.

Being a true Jew for Jesus means holding onto one's Jewish identity, because there is a reason that Jesus never gave His up, why in Matthew 15 He said He had come for the lost sheep of Israel.

Paul was not doing anything but following, and trying to explain, what he was very aware was in the Bible--the only one available at the time--the Tenakh--just as Jesus Himself came to explain, clarify, fulfill and not to abolish or fulfill. To believe otherwise is to say that the L-RD Himself lied and that is a tremendous sin.
If you read the first book, truly read it, with an open mind and open heart--you might truly understand that the Testaments WERE ALWAYS APPLICABLE TO THE JEWS...AND TO BE A JEW IS TO BE A CHRISTIAN...NOT THE WAY THE CHURCH WOULD LIKE US TO BE, BUT THE WAY THAT G-D DOES! It's the rabbis that have strayed, not the Messianic believers...But Messianics are coming back, and re-developing, and that is by His plan, and it has to be for one reason--He wanted His people to come back BEFORE HE DOES!

Answer 10

Paul was right in step with Jesus and the words of Paul are inspired by God.

Answer 11

If you believe you have to be circumcised you are still under law and not under the Grace that Jesus brought,and the Jews are God,s choosen and will be brought in.