Jehovah's Witnesses: does it concern you that those you've disfellowshipped who have the Heavenly Hope

Question

will somehow prejudice God toward you as they sit with him when you stand for your final judgment?

Unless you're saying your disfellowshipping removes their heavenly hope, which your literature has time and time again said is private between Jehovah and the person with the Heavenly hope.

nope, i'm implying God's Judgment may not be the story you'd wish, based on the treatment his chosen have received at the hands of their disfellowshippers.

may not be based upon, rather. my mistake.

silly people, those with him at that time will not be human.

I know, what a thought!

so Andy H, you're saying God doesn't really choose those who sit with him to judge in the final judgment but the Organization does? How could they lose their heavenly hope if God chooses them and not the JWs? surely God knows their hearts better than the Judicial Committee.

well, why have anyone sit with Him in the judgment if He was planning on no input. Unless they're window dressing. who knows what their duties will be.

THA, I think God will judge those who mistreat his chosen.

conundrum, so you're saying any way the Organization wants to treat one of Jehovah's anointed is ok. Not all people are disfellowshipped for gross conduct, you know.

so Dedicated, you're saying God makes mistakes when choosing those who will serve with him in Heaven, so it's ok to expunge them?

but it's been admitted in answers here by admitted JWs that elders do make mistakes when dealing with judicial matters, Dedicated. Does Jehovah set mistakes in motion?

Answer 1

WOW great questions!!

So, from some of the answers here, I can only gather than it is not ONLY JW's that will be saved through armageddon nor is it ONLY JWs that will go to heaven. Glad they have admitted this, even if they are not aware that is what they are saying.

Answer 2

Whether one has the Heavenly Hope or Not, when you merit disfellowshipping you get disfellowshipped. Just because One has the Heavenly Hope, does not mean that they can Engage In Unscriptural behavior and Not show a repentant attitide which involves letting the Congregation Know of said behavior. Ultimately it is Up To Jehovah to Judge whether this individual still merits being Of the Heavenly Class, But that does not preclude Action taken against such an individual especially If that person does Not show Remorse for their actions. A situation such as this existed In Paul's time.
Gross immorality was being tolerated in the Christian congregation at Corinth. A man there had taken his father’s wife, thus practicing ‘such fornication as was not found even among the nations.’ Plainly, Paul wrote: “Remove the wicked man from among yourselves.” (1 Corinthians 5:1, 11-13) That was something new for the Christian congregation—disfellowshipping. Another matter on which the Corinthian congregation needed enlightenment had to do with the fact that some of its members were taking their spiritual brothers to worldly courts in order to settle grievances. Paul strongly rebuked them for doing this.

Answer 3

What occurs in the congregation toward the anointed is irrelevant. God picks who Jesus will co-ruler not the elders.

Everyone will be tested because everyone is at fault, and it will be dependent on their meekness to escape Jehovah's Anger.

Zephaniah 2:2 reads: "Before there comes upon you people the burning anger of Jehovah, before there comes upon you the "day of" Jehovah's anger, seek Jehovah, all you meek ones of the earth, who have practiced his own judicial decision. Seek righteousness, seek meekness. "Probably" you may be concealed in the day of Jehovah's anger."

New Topic: Treatment of the 144,000.

"For the day of Jehovah against all the nations is near. In the way that you have done, it will be done to you. Your sort of treatment will return upon your own head."

Jesus considers his kingly priest as his spiritual nation. (Matthew 21:43)

Answer 4

Interesting Question..I have been thinking about the paradox..If chosen, can they be unchosen by their sinning or by the disfellowshipping...If the GB are God's voice on earth like the JW's claim, What if the wrongfully Disfellowship one of the anointed?


Another question..If the Jw's hate me does that mean that i am saved because I am being persecuted by them? Because of how I believe and who I believe Jesus to be?

StephenP...you need to lighten up or take a prozac, your inability to behave as the Christian that you profess to be is showing...greatly.

Answer 5

First, that Steven P. guy is obviously a rodeo clown drop-out after being kicked in the head by a bull. I've got some ideas what the 'P' might stand for.

Second, I also wonder about those who were disfellowshipped for not believing doctrines of the Jw's that have since been changed. Are they RE-fellowshipped??

Answer 6

There are rules and guidelines for all that we do, When we drive our cars we have to obey the rules and guidelines (if not we will get a ticket)

There are rules and guidelines for all sports, (if a team is caught cheating the consequences are not good)

On our jobs we have rules and guidelines ( if we do not follow them we will loose our job.)

When we don't follow guidelines that our employer has set for us what happens ? Well the first time we may be given a warning, the second time we may get written up, but the third time we are out the door fired! Why?, because we failed to heed all warnings and chance that we were given to make our wrong course right.

You see you fired your self because you failed to do what was required of you.

This is the same with Jehovah, It breaks his heart to see any one leave the saftey of his arms. However he is acting as a loving parent, in hopes that the wayward child will see the error of their ways , repent and come back to him.

No one in Jehovah's Christian Orginization wants to here that any one has been removed fron the saftey of Jehovah's arms.

(The only person that disfellowships a person is the person themself. Yes they disfellowshiped themself because they did not follow the guidelines that has been set for all servants of Jehovah.)

If wicked sinful man can have rules and guidelines, would you not say that it was right for the Prefect, Amight Creator of all humankind the one that knows us better than we know our self (Jehovah) to have guidelines and standards?

Answer 7

Have you forgotten that disfellowshipping is a means of cleansing the congregation. That those falling under it have been repeatedly warned, and continued with wrong practices?
Would you continue using dirty dishes without washing them?
God himself set things in motion for the cleansing actions.
He doesn't make mistakes.

Answer 8

So you're saying that God is easily influenced by humans, and that He can't and won't make His own decisions? And that he doesn't know the person's heart?

Even as spirit creatures, they would still be able to influence Him; that's what you're saying, right? Oh ok......

Answer 9

A dis-associated member of the remnant would not be re-made in heaven. (And if they were, I doubt God would allow their malice to sway his final Judgment.)

A dis-associated member is not to be judged by fellow Witnesses either.

Answer 10

God's judgment is right, but people's judgment might be so wrong. People will fall short. Jehovah's Witnesses are lost people.