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in some instances left whole verces out. In some kjv they even took out the words tradition (s) Now, how can you claim to have truth with bad scripture?

2007-09-14 10:06:10 · 33 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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I agree. This is an example of "eisegesis" (imposing one's views upon a passage) as opposed to "exegesis" (drawing out the meaning of the passage from its context).

Unfortunately, "Proof-texting Protestants" usually do not know the difference as they have only been taught what the fundies teach.

Such sadness.

2007-09-14 10:13:31 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 6 7

The New Testament canon of the Catholic Bible and the Protestant Bible are the same with 27 Books.

The difference in the Old Testaments actually goes back to the time before and during Christ’s life. At this time, there was no official Jewish canon of scripture.

The Jews in Egypt translated their choices of the Hebrew Scriptures into Greek in the second century before Christ. This translation of 46 books, called the Septuagint, had wide use in the Roman world because most Jews lived far from Palestine in Greek cities. Many of these Jews spoke only Greek.

The early Christian Church was born into this world. The Church, with its bilingual Jews and more and more Greek-speaking Gentiles, used the books of the Septuagint as its Bible. Remember the early Christians were just writing the documents what would become the New Testament.

After the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem, with increasing persecution from the Romans and competition from the fledgling Christian Church, the Jewish leaders came together and declared its official canon of Scripture, eliminating seven books from the Septuagint.

The books removed were Tobit, Judith, 1 Maccabees, 2 Maccabees, Wisdom (of Solomon), Sirach, and Baruch. Parts of existing books were also removed including Psalm 151 (from Psalms), parts of the Book of Esther, Susanna (from Daniel as chapter 13), and Bel and the Dragon (from Daniel as chapter 14).

The Christian Church did not follow suit but kept all the books in the Septuagint. 46 + 27 = 73 Books total.

1500 years later, Protestants decided to keep the Catholic New Testament but change its Old Testament from the Catholic canon to the Jewish canon. The books they dropped are sometimes called the Apocrypha.

Here is a Catholic Bible website: http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/

With love in Christ.

2007-09-15 16:04:03 · answer #2 · answered by imacatholic2 7 · 0 0

All faiths have some truths but not all truths are in one single faith only the son knows the father our creator. All else has been here a long time but laws of all universes allow visits for centuries from other plains of faith and beliefs but in 345Ad something happened to change the face of Christianity. Pagans were encouraged to join from then on and changes were made in beliefs and pagan holidays incorporated. The further back we go Jesus is pure truth and Sophia is pure female consciousness and wisdom. The female was buried by Christians for centuries so no one is 100% truth to this day. The Jews have truth concerning the tree of life circle 6 Satan and knowledge which is karma and also using God's Name Yahweh which is powerful. Mystics and Gnostic's have Sophia knowledge and acceptance which is dear to God Yahweh. Buddhism has excellent principals and in India body energies are understood. One day all truth will be pulled out and combined back together like it was before Babylon's tower fell and confused all languages and created many faiths diverted from one common truth.

2007-09-16 00:37:55 · answer #3 · answered by True Sophia 1 · 0 0

(1) The King James Version was printed in 1611 - but there are earlier translations of the Bible -

http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-history/


(2) The Dead Sea Scrolls - found in 11 different caves between late 1940's and early 1950's - have been Carbon Dated to be 100 BC and 68 AD (that is 1000 years older than manuscripts used to translate The KJV Bible) -

http://home.flash.net/~hoselton/deadsea/caves.htm
http://www.centuryone.com/25dssfacts.html
http://www.sbl-site.org/Article.aspx?ArticleId=419

(3) The Torah - recorded between 5th century BC and 2nd century BC -

http://www.jerusalembooks.com/jap/bookb1.htm
http://www.search.com/reference/Torah

2007-09-14 11:58:55 · answer #4 · answered by yahweh_is_the_lord 3 · 0 0

"Protestants" did not change any scriptures. The scriptures and manuscripts that make up the Bible have been in existence since they were written, the last "book" having been around since 100 AD.

What is ironic is that the catholic insist they "gave" us the Bible yet there are scriptures FROM THEIR OWN BIBLES that contradict some of their practices and beliefs. For example..

If the Bible is a Catholic book,

1. Why does it condemn clerical dress? (Matt. 23:5-6).
2. Why does it teach against the adoration of Mary? (Luke 11:27-28).
3. Why does it show that all Christians are priests? (1 Pet. 2:5,9).
4. Why does it condemn the observance of special days? (Gal. 4:9-11).
5. Why does it teach that all Christians are saints? (1 Cor. 1:2).
6. Why does it condemn the making and adoration of images? (Ex. 20:4-5).
7. Why does it teach that baptism is immersion instead of pouring? (Col. 2:12).
8. Why does it forbid us to address religious leaders as "father"? (Matt. 23:9).
9. Why does it teach that Christ is the only foundation and not the apostle Peter? (1 Cor. 3:11).
10. Why does it teach that there is one mediator instead of many? (1 Tim. 2:5).
11. Why does it teach that a bishop must be a married man? (1 Tim. 3:2, 4-5).
12. Why is it opposed to the primacy of Peter? (Luke 22:24-27).
13. Why does it oppose the idea of purgatory? (Luke 16:26).
14. Why is it completely silent about infant baptism, instrumental music in worship, indulgences, confession to priests, the rosary, the mass, and many other things in the Catholic Church?

These verses are in the catholic Bible, yet they choose to "interpret" them in a way to support their beliefs. As far as the extra "books" in the catholic Bible, they were deemed long ago to be uninspired and full of contradictions. The apostles never quoted from them, Jesus never quoted from them and neither did any of the church fathers.

So, who actually is changing the scriptures???

2007-09-14 10:17:11 · answer #5 · answered by TG 4 · 4 4

That's exactly why there are more than 30,000 Protestant groups.....NONE of them in complete agreement with the others....otherwise they'd JOIN the others and not cause scandal to the last words of Jesus who prayed that they maly all be one.....not 30,000!!!!!

Actually Protestants like the Hebrew translation of the OT....we Catholics and Orthodox greatly prefer the Greek translation (Septuagint) -- which is what Jesus and the apostles and early Church used. I wonder why anyone would reject for common use what Jesus himself used? The NT was written in Greek....a smoother translation from OT to NT....both being Greek. I wonder why Protestants don't prefer a Hebrew NT to match the OT? They seem to favor the same NT that Catholics and Orthodox use! But unlike the Orthodox, Protestants accept the Catholic calendar -- established by Pope Gregory -- rather than creating their own calendar...or keeping the Julian (after Julius Caesar) like many of the Orthodox.

Indeed Protestants complain and falsely accuse Catholics of "adding" books to the OT -- but they are in 100% agreeement that the Catholic bishops at the Council of Orange (N. Africa) in AD 397 did just fine in determining which books are inspired and accepted into the Canon of the NT.

Ahhhhhhh.....the heresy of "pick and choose"!

2007-09-14 10:22:32 · answer #6 · answered by The Carmelite 6 · 3 2

You can say what you please. Yet, I will tell you this. You are not alone when it comes to standing in a doctrine that is contrary to the Word of God. Most today have in some way corrupted the Word of God.

Your stand on the catholic bible could not stand against the truth of God's Word. Then we have the multitudes of pagan rituals, along with adding and taking away from the Word of God, creating a doctrine that is pleasing to the flesh, but not to God. The catholic religion has a form of godliness, but denies the power of the Holy Spirit.

Your attack is not so much on the protestants as it is the infallible Word of God. So don't pretend that it is.

The Methodist, Presbyterians, and many, many others are no different then the Catholics. They have all done things that God hates. He wants us to heed his Word and to be led of his Holy Spirit.

The only acceptable offering is to let Jesus live his sinless life through all who believe. The born again who have been saved from hell fire. Thank you Lord Jesus. Praise you Father God.

2007-09-14 10:18:30 · answer #7 · answered by heiscomingintheclouds 5 · 1 3

I think you are mistaken.
However the Apocryphal books of the Bible were removed because they are not afforded the same weight of authority as the accepted 66 books of the canon. I think most Catholic scholars would agree on that. Neither are they recognized by the Jews as part of the Tanakh.
Actually, they were originally included in the King James Bible until they were removed by common agreement, if I recall correctly, some time in the 1800's.

There are numerous Protestant and Catholic versions of the Bible today, all which are substantially in agreement with one another, with only minor differences.

2007-09-14 10:16:10 · answer #8 · answered by wefmeister 7 · 2 3

I just want to address the comment that Catholics are going to hell.

While I disagree with Catholics on many doctrinal issues, there are for the most part good and Christian people. And we'll likely be seeing plenty of Catholics in heaven. I'm sick of people who say that unless you agree with their scewed interpretation of the Bible or their inaccurate view of Christ, you are going to hell.

Such people will often say, "Oh, well they worship a different Jesus." Not so. We all have imperfect understandings of him and have much to learn. Just because a person has a misunderstanding of Jesus, does not mean that he rejects Jesus.

I think that the biggest misunderstanding that people have of Jesus is that he is a raging cowboy who is going to send anyone who disagrees with evangelicals to hell.

Evangelicals do not have a corner on Jesus. Sorry.

2007-09-14 10:30:41 · answer #9 · answered by spaintola 1 · 1 1

I guess now the burden is now on you to prove your allegations. And, by the way, the word tradition is listed 11 times in the KJV I have. The apocryphal books were added later, not taken out, they are not considered inspired Scripture.

2007-09-14 10:19:47 · answer #10 · answered by BrotherMichael 6 · 1 2

If you have the Apocrypha in your Bible, then why did they remove many, many verses from 4 Edras 7:36-105 ? The total number of verses should show 140 verses. What were they doing when they did that? What did they NOT want you to see?

Should the pot call the kettle 'black'?

2007-09-14 10:16:23 · answer #11 · answered by Christian Sinner 7 · 1 1

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