When christains accepct the fact the Paul invented the new trinity belief...than why?

Question

Since Jesus was the one who brought down the message of christainity, with one true god, if there was somthing as the "trinity" than would he have said somthing about it in his life? or in the bible? u accept the fact that Paul added an innovation in the religion and still accepct? how can u ascribe "partners" with god?

Answer 1

As i always mentioned before, was asking the christians to seek the original bible, not what Paul add in nor erase some of it and this is what you try when you use the word' invented'

For all the answers from christians above, it is very easy to understand that they are referring to the amended version of bible. *sigh*

They are truly lost and the christians' heart closed tightly for 'nur'. Paul is changing all the true fact in bible, did you know that in original version of bible, all Christian, after the death oh ISA (why you all cahnge his name to jesus? All you amend to follow your english version?!) must follow the last prophet, that is Muhammad SAW? Please find out, it's not too late.

Answer 2

VERSES THAT CONTRADICT THE TRINITARIAN DOCTRINE AND/OR THE DIVINITY OF JESUS

Exodus 33:20, John 1:18, 1 Timothy 6:16 - No one saw God.
Isaiah 42:8 - Do not praise and worship images.
Isaiah 45:1 - "Anointed" does not mean "God".
Matthew 14:23, 19:13, 26:39, 27:46, 26:42-44 - Jesus prayed.
Matthew 24:36 - Jesus was not all-knowing.
Matthew 26:39 - Jesus and God had different wills.
Matthew 28:18 - All power was given to Jesus.
Mark 1:35, 6:46, 14:35-36 - Jesus prayed.
Mark 10:17-18 and Luke 18:18-19 - Jesus denied divinity.
Mark 12:28-29 - God is one.
Mark 13:32 - Jesus was not all-knowing.
Mark 16:19 and Luke 22:69 - Jesus at the right hand of God.
Luke 3:21, 5:16, 6:12, 9:18, 9:28, 11:1-4, 22:41 - Jesus prayed.
Luke 4:18, 9:48, 10:16 - Jesus was from God.
Luke 7:16, 13:33, 24:18-19 - Jesus was a prophet.
Luke 10:21 - Jesus gave thanks.
Luke 23:46 - The spirit of Jesus was commended to God.
John 4:19 - Jesus was a prophet.
John 4:23-24 - Worship in spirit and truth.
John 14:28 - One was greater than the other.
John 5:19, 5:30, 7:28, 8:28 - Jesus was helpless.
John 5:20 - The Father showed the son.
John 5:30 and 6:38 - Jesus and God had different wills.
John 5:31-32 - Jesus' witness was not true.
John 6:11 and 11:41-42 - Jesus gave thanks.
John 6:32 - The Father was the provider, not the son.
John 7:29, 16:5, 16:28 - Jesus was from God.
John 7:16, 12:49, 14:24, 17:14 - Jesus' words were not his.
John 8:42 - Jesus did not come of himself.
John 10:29 - "My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all."
John 14:1 - Jesus said, "...believe also in me."
John 14:16, 17:1, 17:9, 17:11, 17:15 - Jesus prayed.
John 14:31 and 15:10 - Jesus followed commands.
John 17:6-8 - "I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me."
John 20:17 - Jesus had a god.
Acts 2:22 - Jesus was "a man approved of God."
Romans 8:34 - Jesus was an intercessor.
1 Timothy 2:5 - Jesus was the mediator between God and humans.

i dont have much to say, its clear now - go check for urself and believe - damn it believe !!!

Answer 3

The trinity is not biblical.

It came from the Nicene Creed. It was established approximately 300 years after the time of Christ on Earth as a result of conflict within the early Christianity. The text of the Nicene Creed state that the three are "coequal"; this is the term actually used in the doctrine. Jesus contradicts the use of the term equal or "coequal". It is a simple passage where Jesus stated his explicit subordinance to the Father: "for my Father is Greater than I(John 14:28)."

The Bible forewarned the reader to beware the doctrines of men (e.g. Mat. 15:9; Eph. 4:14). Even if people don't want to accept it, it doesn't mean it isn't true.

Answer 4

Paul never espoused the trinity, nor ever spoke of three in one, or anything of that nature. The Catholic church began the doctrine of the trinity in about the third century b.c.; they based it on the scripture in I John 5:7. That scripture like all scripture is true. However, their interpretation is not. It does not say they are one and the same, simply that they are one. Reading the bible carefully you will find the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are one, meaning in agreement, but nowhere does it state they are one in the same, or Jesus or the Holy Ghost are God. Every word spoken by or about Jesus in the bible states simply that he is the son of God. So, I would suggest you read the bible before attempting to teach Christians about it.

Answer 5

That Paul wrote about the Trinity is merely evidence of Jesus teaching him for a few years in the wilderness prior to Paul going to Jerusalem.
The evidence of the Trinity is laid out in the Old Testament, though even the Rabbi's, priests, scribes, and Pharisees missed it in their teachings.
Jesus came and taught the Torah the way it was meant to be taught, and not with the agenda of the Sanhedrin.
When you find:
The Lord God,
The Angel of the Lord (capital "A"),
and The spirit of the Lord
all in the Old Testament, will YOU believe that the teaching was not new, merely not taught by the Jews?

Answer 6

The word 'trinity' is not in the Bible.

Did not Jesus say "Me and My Father are one"
And also "when you seen Me, you have also seen the Father"
And did Jesus also say "I send another comforter"

So; if the Father and the Holy Spirit are both spirits, yet Jesus is one and the same as with the Father, where does this trinity belief come in then?

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In English, the term for our Creator is ‘God.’ Although this term is almost universally understood and accepted, this term is problematic, as this also is not the true original Hebrew term.

In Hebrew, the term for ‘God’ is pronounced, “Elohim.” In Hebrew, this is spelled Aleph-Lamed-Hay-Yod-Memsofeet (final form Mem), or אלהים. There are legitimate variations of this title, including simply “El” (אל).

In Hebrew, the term Elohim (אלהים) means, “The Strong Ones,” or “The Mighty Ones.” In Hebrew, this word is also a plural (as words ending in –ים are generally masculine plurals). One reason this distinction is important is that the term אלהים, being a plural, applies both to the Father, the Son, and the Spirit. This distinction will be critically important in understanding the nature of אלהים (especially in such studies as “Manifestation of Elohim”).

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In a Hebraic context, the word Torah (תורה) has not so much to do with observing a specific set body of rules and regulations, as it has to do with ever-honing and improving one's abilities as a warrior (and a servant of the Most High), so as to be able to 'hit the mark' (as an archer might be expected to do).

While it is correct to translate the word Torah (תורה) as 'Law' (in that the Creator's Words do carry the weight of Law), the word Torah more accurately translates as the English word 'Instruction' (or perhaps, 'Training').

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Is this what is called the trinity conflicts that which is written,
Hear O' Israel, the LORD our God, the Lord is one...
Is that changed now that there are 3 gods?
If then, does that make God a liar? or the scriptures are wrong?

Or is it that the trinity is a misunderstanding and a misinterpretation that rather, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are but an incomplete manifestation/revelation of the Father to us? thus maintaining that there is but one God?

Paul did not 'invent' the trinity doctorine, others came after Paul and interpreted what Paul written and seen it as that..


Water has 3 phases but is still water, if you see water in its vapor, liquid or solid form, does that mean that each state or manifestation of water is different than the others? just in it's state or manifestation, but it still is water, one element in three manifestations.... or one element (water) being revealed in 3 states (vapor, liquid, solid)... There is not three types or kinds of water, but 3 manifestations of the same element...

So, what exactly is this 'trinity' describing or attempting to define?

If Paul was teaching that there are three Gods, and he was a Pharisee, and a student of Gamileil, it does not make any sense...

Answer 7

Chapter 2
109. Many of the followers of the Book wish that they could turn you back into unbelievers after your faith, out of envy from themselves, (even) after the truth has become manifest to them; but pardon and forgive, so that Allah should bring about His command; surely Allah has power over all things.

110. And keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and whatever good you send before for yourselves, you shall find it with Allah; surely Allah sees what you do.

111. And they say: None shall enter the garden (or paradise) except he who is a Jew or a Christian. These are their vain desires. Say: Bring your proof if you are truthful.

112. Yes! whoever submits himself entirely to Allah and he is the doer of good (to others) he has his reward from his Lord, and there is no fear for him nor shall he grieve.

113. And the Jews say: The Christians do not follow anything (good) and the Christians say: The Jews do not follow anything (good) while they recite the (same) Book. Even thus say those who have no knowledge, like to what they say; so Allah shall judge between them on the day of resurrection in what they differ.

Answer 8

Do you even bother to READ the Bible before you attack it?

Ok. Let's do this one more time (*sigh*)

Paul did not invent the trinity (ie the tri-une nature of God).

You can find it starting right off in Genesis.

Genesis 1:1 says, "In the beginning, Elohim (not Eloheinu) created the heavens and the earth."

Elohim is the pleural form of the word God: "B'raishish bara Elohim es ha'sh'mayim v'es ho'oretz".

Further down, when there were no kings to copy from, God said "Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness."

Going on, and every time you see the word "God", it is a pleural form.

Jehovah said in Isa 48:16 that He was there from the beginning, "but now Jehovah and His Spirit has sent me, says Jehovah."

Isaiah gets even bolder when he said "A child is given to us, a son is born to us, and the government shall be upon his shoulders. And his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

John 1:1 says, "In the beginning was the Word. The Word was WITH God, and the Word WAS God..." Vs 14 says "The Word became flesh and dwelt among us..."

If you reject Paul, then you must also reject Luke, because it was Luke who wrote the book of acts and described how Paul came to believe in Jesus as Messiah while travelling on the road to Damascus.

You also have to reject John the beloved, because John wrote the book of Revelations while on the isle of Patmos, and it in the book of Revelations in which first God, then Jesus said "I am the first, I am the last ...", which God also said in the book Isaiah.

So, what have we eliminated so far? Let's see - Genesis, Isaiah, John, Luke, Acts, Revelations so far.

Oh, yes, in 1 John, John describes the experience of having - never mind, I'll just quote it here for you:

1Jn 1:1-3 KJV "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (2) (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) (3) That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ."

Do you want to just go ahead and throw out the REST of the Bible while you're at it?

Isn't that what Satan did with Eve, get her to doubt God's Word? Just whose side ARE you on, anyway? Even the devil can appear as an angel of light, and his ministers as ministers of light!

But you oppose the Scriptures! That tells us which side of the line YOU are on!

Answer 9

no. St. Paul as inspired by the Holy SPirit and his letters are the word of God.

our earthly families are created in the image and likeness of the true and perfect family: The Holy Trinity (God). God is an eternal family of self-giving life and love between The Father and the SOn, their love is so real that it begets the Third person of the Holy Trinity, The Holy Spirit. IN marriage, the mystery of the Triune God is revealed when a man and a woman give their life and love to eachother, it becomes so real that 9 months later it is a baby! God bless.

Answer 10

Really? Paul wrote Daniel 7 and Psalm 45? WOW!