The sad story of the Bible?

Question

Until 1400 AD, Catholic monks preserved the original purityof the Bible and made copies by hand. Everyday in the Holy Masses, the congregation attended both 'Breaking of the Bread.' The Bible was not available to common people as there was no printing at that time as it is today.

In 1453 AD, printing was invented. Copies of the Bible were made available. In 1517 AD, Martin Luther attacked the Church, but first he vandalized the Bible itself. To defend his dogmas, he threw out seven Old Testament books from the early canons of the Bible (Wisdom, Sirach, Judith, Baruch, Tobit, 1st Maccabees, and 2nd Maccabees). He planned to destroy even the New Testament book, 'Letter of James', which spoke against his doctrine 'sola fide' (man is saved not by work but faith alone). But James 2:26 says: " Faith without work is dead." When opposition mounted , he was satisfied, accusing this Epistle as 'Epistle of the straw.' So, the Bible that is used by Protestants, is partial, incomplete...

... incomplete and unauthentic.

His followers started to fight with each other on the interpretation of the Bible by creating contrary theologies and new dogmas.Thousands of churches were formed. ALL BELIEVE THAT THE BIBLE ALONE IS THE BASIS OF FAITH; DOGMA NEVER TAUGHT BY JESUS, NEVER WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE, NOR SUPPORTED BY THE BIBLE. Each church started to change interpretations and even words in the Bible according to their desire. This resulted in more than 200,000 churches with contrary views, all based in the Bible. All claim the guidance of the same Holy Spirit. The holy Spirit can never do this dirty confusion and total anarchy as it is the Spirit of Truth. Thus history proved, beyond any doubt, that the 'Bible alone' theory is not from God. In fact the Bible became an instrument in the hands of satan to create chaos and anarchy in Christendom when it was taken away from its real basis --- The Church founded by Jesus Christ upon Peter.

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So, Jesus warned, (Jn 15:6) anyone who does not remain in me will be thrown out like a branche and wither."
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So, Catholics, do you agree?

I absolutely do!
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primoa1970, whatever.

my_my_now, I provided you history, you provided me with your mere opinion? is that the way it should go now?

hstvx, I totally agree!

rf186, I posted in English, so I assume you can understand it, unless you don't know how to read, or you can't understand English. which one is your case?

Hieromedius, are you trying to insult me by calling me that?

Answer 1

For those who spread lies about the Catholic Church: their ignorance is their lack of knowledge, their stupidity is their wisdom, and their truth is falsehood

In attacking the Catholic Church, Protestants sever their own roots

No protestant should quote Scripture at all, for he has no means of knowing which books are inspired; Unless of course, he wants to accept the authority of the Catholic Church for that


Now, don't be picking on those Fundamentalists. They can't help it they
believe the earth is really flat. They
are the only Christians in the world who
believe they can committ 10 ax murders
and still get a one way all expense paid
trip to heaven; cuz that's what pastor
Dodo tells them.

You might want to talk to Luther about this (Faith Alone) he added it you know to the KJv

“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” (Rev.22:18-19) (Also read Deut.4:2, 12:32, Ecc.3:14, Prov.30:5-6)


Martin Luther says, "we are all piles of dung, covered with snow". This was his view of "born-again" and baptismal regeneration. Gee, I thought we were God's greatest creation, created in His own image. Is God a pile of dung, covered with snow?

"Honor and glory is in the word of the wise, but the tongue of the fool is his ruin."
Sir 5:15

Martin Luther Commentary on St. John: ``We are compelled to concede to the Papists that they have the Word of God, that we received it from them, and that without them we should have no knowledge of it at all.'' Exactly where did you get your bible from.


I do insist on the certainty that sooner or later – once we hold power – Christianity will be overcome and the German Church established. Yes, the German church, without a Pope …....and Luther, if he could be with us, would give us his blessing.” (Adolf Hitler, Hitler’s speeches, edited by Prof. N.H. Baynes [oxford, 1942], pg. 369.)

When I am angry, I am not expressing my own wrath, but the wrath of God”. “They shall respect our teaching which is the word of God, spoken by the Holy Ghost, through our lips”. “Not for a thousand years has God bestowed such great gifts on any bishop as He as on me and I boldly vouch and declare that when you obey me you are without a doubt obeying not me but Christ” “Whoever obeys me not, despises not me but Christ.” “I believe that we are the last trump that sounds before Christ is coming”. “What I teach and write remains true even though the whole world should fall to pieces over it. “Whoever rejects my doctrine cannot be saved.” “Nobody should rise up against me”.

“I have greater confidence in my wife and my pupils than I have in Christ“When I beheld Christ I seemed to see the Devil”. I had a great aversion for Christ”. “Often I was horrified at the name of Christ, and when I regarded Him on the Cross, it was as if I had been struck by lightning; and when I heard His name mentioned, I would rather have heard the name of the Devil” “I did not believe in Christ,”

God, on the other hand, “a master armed with a stick”. “God did mischievously blind me”; “God often acts like a madman”; “God paralyses the old and blinds the young and thus remains master”; I look upon God no better than a scoundrel”; “God is stupid”
“Christ committed adultery first of all with the woman at the well about whom Saint John tells us. Was not everybody about Him saying: `Whatever has he been doing with her?” Secondly, with Mary Magdalene, and thirdly with the woman taken in adultery whom He dismissed so lightly. Thus even Christ, who was so righteous, must have been guilty of fornication before He died”
What we do and how we act does not matter in the least. All that matters is our belief.
It does not matter what people do; it only matters what they believe.” “God does not need our actions. All He wants is that we pray to Him and thank Him. “It does not matter how Christ behaved—what He taught is all that matters”
“What does it matter whether we commit a fresh sin?” “Faith cancels all sin” . “No other sin exists in the world save unbelief,” “Sometimes it is necessary to commit some sin out of hatred and contempt for the Devil.” “What matters if we commit a sin?”
“You must say my sins are not mine; they are not in me at all; they are the sins of another' they are Christ's and are none of my business” . “Christianity is nothing but a continual exercise in feeling that you have no sin although you sin, but that your sins are thrown on Christ.” “From the moment when you acknowledge that Christ bears your sins, He becomes the sinner in your stead
“Be a sinner, and sin boldly, but believe more boldly still.” Not only men, but the Saints and Apostles must be sinners. “The Saints must be good, downright sinners.” “The Apostles themselves were sinners, yea, regular scoundrels…I believe that the prophets also frequently sinned grievously”

“I have brought on headache by drinking old wine in the Coburg, and this our Wittenberg beer has not yet cured. I work little, and I am forced to be idle against my will because my head must have a rest.” “If I have a can of beer, I want the beer-barrel as well”. “I am but a man prone to let himself be swept off his feet by society, drunkenness, the movements of the flesh” “What is needed to live in continence is not in me”.


“I am but a man prone to let himself be swept off his feet by society, drunkenness, the torments of the flesh “Instead of glowing in spirit, I glow in the flesh.” “I burn with all the desires of my unconquered flesh“I rarely pray. . . . My unruly flesh doth burn me with devouring flame. In short, I who should be a prey to the spirit alone am eating my heart out through the flesh, through lust, laziness, idleness, and somnolence.”

“You owe nothing to God except faith and confession. In all other things He lets you do whatever you like. You may do as you please, without any danger of conscience whatsoever.” “The sting of flesh may easily be helped so long as girls and women are to be found.” “The body asks for a woman and must have it”; “to marry is a remedy for fornication”

“Marriage is an external bodily thing, like any other manipulation.” “Know that marriage is an outward material thing like any other secular business.” “The body has nothing to do with God. In this respect one can never sin against God, but only against one's neighbour

“In spite of all the good I say of married life, I will not grant so much to nature as to admit that there is no sin in it . . no conjugal due is ever rendered without sin.” “The matrimonial duty is never performed without sin.” The matrimonial act is, “a sin differing in nothing from adultery and fornication”
“The word and work of God is quite clear, viz. That women were made either to be wives or prostitutes”
“If you do not want, someone else does. If the wife does not want, take your servant” “to satisfy their desires outside marriage, when they were not married, in order to give relief to natural feelings which they could not resist.” “It is not forbidden that a man should have more than one wife”
“After a rape of nuns which took place on the night of Holy Saturday, 1523, Luther calls the citizen Koppe, who organised the exploit, a `holy and blessed robber'”.

he refers to himself as “a famous lover” who has “three wives” but “no intention whatsoever to marry”.

“To my mind,” he said once, “there is no more shameful vice on earth than lying.”

Answer 2

I often wonder what St. Jerome would make of the reformation and its present-day legacy with regard to the Holy Bible which his work produced, the Latin Vulgate, upon which all English translations were based -- including the 1611 KJV. Were it not for all of those painstakingly handwritten copies of the Vulgate, preserved through the centuries by dedicated men of the Church, there would be no "sola scriptura". Whether some fundamentalists like it or not, the Bible they whap folks over the head with came to them through Catholic hands. And if they can't bring themselves to acknowledge that, surely they can at least spare a nod of thanks in the direction of Jerome.

Answer 3

Um, yes. I'm Catholic and I agree, but....

I hold to what I was taught in catechism eons ago: that all religions -- even ones that don't call themselves Christian -- have some kernel of the Truth and therefore share in God's Light, as long as they teach loving all people, not just their own believers, as brothers and sisters.

I was taught in college by largely protestant professors, and they all agreed that the Church (Catholic Church) has what the early compilers held to be the sacred cannon. The shortened version of the bible that many protestants use is a truncation of the original one.

Be that as it may, I still think we are apt to see lots of our protestant brothers in heaven. If they teach love and not judgementalism (fundamentalists), they will be welcomed into God's Kingdom, no matter what this current pope says.

Answer 4

I am Roman Catholic.
WE ARE THE CHURCH THAT JESUS FOUNDED AND THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVIAL AGAINST US.
We are happy to share our bible with you. We wrote the New Testament and complied the Old testing each book for both truth an authenticity, with the Holy Spirit we detemend what was Holy Scripture and what was not.
It is our teaching tool. a tool that helps teach the truths that Jesus revield to us directly, as we walked with him. As you can see from Tur B's excellent synopsis, the bible didn't just fall from the sky into Luther's lap. Luther was a catholic bishop, copped a resentment, decelared himself Pope(maybee this is where the idea of Pope as anitchrist comes from), and ripped books out of the bible that he did not like. Books that we in communion with the Holy sprirt carefully, painstaking tested and selected before we decalred them as Holy Scripture.
WE ARE THE CHURCH THAT JESUS FOUNDED AND THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST US we are catholics. join us as we worship the Lord the way He taught us to directly.

'sola fide' ????? see the book of James, also see the good news of Our Lord Jesus Christ as experienced by St. Matthew Chapter 25 starting at verse 31 the goats and the sheep (Not even Luther would try to rip out a Gospel).
"when teh son of man comes in His glory, he will invite all those who have said teh sinners prayer ... Opps people not what He said ... BTW just exactly where is the sinnners prayer in the Bible. I can point out baptism, confession, The Holy Euchiast (heck the whole gospel of John is one big book reapting over and over again unless you eat by body and drink my blood you will not have eternal life), confirmation, matimony, annoting of the sick -- all the sacraments are in the bible. How could we teach these things if they were not discussed fully in our teaching tool?
But look as I might I do not see the sinners prayer?

The Lord Be With You (our ancient greeting to each other)
(our response) and also with you.
Through Christ our Lord, Amen (our traditional prayer ending.)

Answer 5

Wake up late one day and look what I miss, lol…good job Tur b, studying I see, I do agree with a lot of what you say . One of my favorite bibles is the Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, this bible has the lost books in it, I had to special order it and cost me a pretty penny but it was worth it. You can view the online version now too.

Did you ever wonder what the people who changed the bible thought about when they got to the very last verses of the very last book ?

Apocalypse 22:18-21

18 For I testify to every one that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add to these things, God shall add unto him the plagues written in this book. 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from these things that are written in this book. 20 He that giveth testimony of these things, saith, Surely I come quickly: Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.
21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

I sure as heck don’t want to be those people…..

Answer 6

Well-first of all, I DO think that we DO owe a great deal to the Catholic church for preserving the essentials of the early church! If it wasn't for them, we wouldn't HAVE the Bible as we know it!

Now-that being said: taking the essential 66 books of what we know the Bible to have-do the Apocraphyl books stand up to what these 66 books say?

That is the question that we must ask ourselves.

Answer 7

I kinda lots your track halfway through...but I think the point you are making is that the bible is open to interpretation which itself causes chaos and division? I agree - the bible is not the living word of god, but in fact several writings of human beings and their interpretation of god's teaching. The New Testament was infact several letters written to support the early church and were therefore subject to the biais of the writer. therefore christians should not just quote the bible to support their faith and beliefs as these are arbitary and can be twisted to suit the occasion.

Answer 8

even though I'm not Catholic, I do agree with your post, but I don't understand why the Catholic Church allowed those Protestants to vandalize their Bible just like that after they preserved it.

Answer 9

And how did you view the editing of the Bible in 300 BC by the Council of Necia. Romans 2, for example, was left out.

Judge, least ye be judged!

It's a matter of documented history.

Answer 10

I agree with the King James Version revealed to me through the power of the Holy Spirit. And the Holy Spirit has taught me that if God's wants to get through to me He can do so with any and all things in His creation.

Answer 11

I'm at a loss, it seems you have confused many things, conveniently left out the reasoning behind others & tried to put everything together coherently?
Seems to me that you're speaking of the Apocrypha which is included in many Protestant Bibles and often shows it's inclusion like "KJV + Apocrypha"
Speaking of those books included in the Apocrypha, they were not included because "Apocrypha are texts of uncertain authenticity or writings where the authorship is questioned." Quoted from Wikipedia.
So therefore these texts are considered important, but because the lack the authenticity of the canonized texts they aren't included with the main body of the Bible.