What do you think about a Jehovah Witness who would tell another Black witness you're not a witness anymore?

Question

I have learned from a Black woman that a white woman who calls herself one of Jehovah's Witnesses told the Black woman "You're no longer a witness", because the Black woman was being persecuted racially in the bigoted town that she lives in. The woman has been trying to get out of that town for a long while now but continues to be persecuted by the bad people in that community.

The so-called witness also told the Black witness "No! There is no time for you to move and relocate; not you! You must stay there and go back to the kingdom hall that has committed racism also!"

Many people relocate and move monthly, if not weekly or daily from many cities and states across the country, relocating to other states, so why is it not ok for the Black woman to get a fairwell and relocate, but many others do it every day??

The so-called witness also told the woman that there was a fund for single mothers and children in the society. When she called the society, she was told there is none.

When the Black woman called the society she was told that the so-called witness was lying and that there was no such fund for single women and children?

Furthermore, this self-proclaimed witness told the Black witness that she (the dishonest woman) had been disfellowshipped but was reinstated.

Do you think this sort of behavior should come from one who calls themselves a witness? That person who is being dishonest and making false claims including telling the Black woman that she was no longer a witness when the Black woman confronted her, is from Y/A forums. Is this right?

Don Cowl: JW's believe that only 144,000 are to reign in heaven as spiritual creatures with the angels and Jesus. There are at least 6.5 Million JW's worldwide.

secret_girl2no: I have told the victim the very same thing and she said it made no sense to her either. When she confronted the bad witness about her dishonesty, this is when she got very heated and told the Black woman that she was attacking everyone, should stay in the town and get back to the kingdom hall, that she did not HAVE TIME to move because Armageddon would be here. I told the Black woman that the other one seems unstable and non-realistic and not to have any further contact with her. She is not, but why would she tell her lies and then tell her when the Black woman got upset "You're not a witness anymore"?! I felt this was not her place as a so-called witness to be telling any other witness that they are no longer a witness!

Anti-Trinitarian: No. I have not been telling lies and anyone who wants to contact me I have been forwarded the emails between the victim and the bad woman.

Why would I lie about this? Maybe you were blocked because of the same lie you are posting now. I don't have to lie about the truth.

Anti Trinitarian: You wrote: "In the past month, she claims to know 10 former Witnesses". Where did you get this untruth? I do not know 10 former witnesses. Now you are being just as the first bad woman and that's not right. I do not know 10 former witnesses but it is obvious maybe there should be some according to some of the troubled answers I see by so-called witnesses.

TeeM: I have the facts and I am very shocked at this woman. She is from this forum and not only did she lie to the victim, she also told her "You're not a witness anymore" when the victim was not even disfellowshipped but the bad woman was disfellowshipped. At this point we're not even sure if the bad woman was even reinstated. If I am going to state something, it will be with truth and facts. Perhaps you need to re-read ALL of my question and facts again so that YOU have all the facts. Ever thought of that? Do it.

achtung_heiss: Thank you for your post and what I have posted including information from my own congregation does support the facts. The links are very useful also.

Jason W: Thanks so much for your loving words. I'm sure there are congregations that "shine brighter" than others and I have heard first hand of some being shut down. It is because of the leaders allow "things to get out of hand" even participating in some of the outrageousness themselves. The Black woman I mentioned has seen first hand that two of the leaders of her congregation allowed lies and slander to be told first hand by some of her abusers, but the leaders, elders stood by, through their heads up and rolled their eyes, not even cautioning the whites who were obviously bearing false witness. The Black woman did everything by scripture and God's laws, but was shocked to see not one, but two elders who idly sat by looking away while a white male accused her wrongfully and even lied on her good son. This is the good son that the whites wanted to associated with their bad son. Racism is in some of the organization; the Black woman wrote to the society & is still awaiting response.

Answer 1

uhh she is a free person. She should be able to move wherever she wants. Even if she is a Jehova witness, i mean, she is in America right? . If she feels like there is such rascism in that church, Why is she still a part of it? i mean, Do they own her as person? .

Answer 2

Jesus said you will know my people for the love they have for one another. That's one of the things I really enjoyed when I walked into the Kingdom Hall for the first time and saw people of all races coming up and shaking hands and really loving one another.
I invited one of my friends when I started studying the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses to come to a meeting and he was shocked by what he saw. He told me that he thought that Jehovah's Witnesses were all one race.
If there was a Jehovah's Witnesses acting this way I'm positive that this problem would be addressed by the Congregation Elders.
We don't allow unacceptable behavior to disrupt the Congregation. Jesus is the Head of the Congregation and he would bring this problem out and Bible counsel would be given.

Answer 3

It certainly seems that someone involved in this anecdote is not truthful.

Interestingly, Jehovah's Witnesses' own statistics count about 1 million active Witnesses in the United States, but about 2 million associate themselves by meeting attendance. Secular surveys generally note that about 1% (or 3 million) Americans identify themselves with Jehovah's Witnesses. In summary:
...1 million practice
...2 million attend
...3 million identify

Clearly, there are many who identify themselves as Jehovah's Witnesses while having little or no formal connection with the religion. This questioner is to be commended for seeking information about Jehovah's Witness beliefs, but should be cautioned that such information may be of limited use in understanding a person who is only tangentially committed to the faith (if at all).

Learn more:
http://watchtower.co.uk/e/20050508/article_01.htm
http://jw-media.org/beliefs/membership.htm
http://jw-media.org/people/index.htm
http://watchtower.co.uk/e/20060401/article_01.htm
http://watchtower.co.uk/e/rq/index.htm?article=article_08.htm

Answer 4

So that you know, this woman has been telling fake stories. Once she she gets caught in a lie, she blocks one of the J-Ws from her Question so they can't answer. In the past month, she claims to know 10 former Witnesses.


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You told a story about single mothers not receiving any help - You said you asked one of the witnesses on the forum for advice - when asked about to reveal their names, here was your response.

http://nz.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070910194309AAXRYXK

Conundrum: You missed my question entirely. These women were lied to by others proclaiming to be witnesses stating that there was such funding for single mothers and children. The hypocrisy has been great in the organization but the help when women and others are being persecuted is far and few. Your answer seems off kiltered.

3 days ago
JR, you're way out of line and totally off balance. Judging by your soldier picture, your youth is staggering and it shows in what you wrote.

Yes, go back and re-read my question and explanation again to get the full understanding of what I stated. If you still don't get it yet, just don't come back. You appear to be yet another egotistical male with your blabbering and arrogant nature.

Read it right this time and then if you still don't get it, you're blinded. Just go away. Your outrageousness is just as the trolls I mentioned and no, I won't post their names but they know who they are!!
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See how defensive you get when asked to reveal their names? You seem to know a lot of j-ws in this bigoted town.

Answer 5

I have never cared for the structure and rediculous rules and regulations of the Witnesses'. Some people of such strictly organized religions have lost touch with the TRUTH. Love, understanding, respect, not judging your neighbors, being a good person, THOSE are the REAL truths. The people who claim religion but act it in no way (other than superficially) are the farthest from God and they are going to be judged. That black woman is going through a very hard time, a test from the Lord, but if she is faithful, He will show her a way through.
God bless.

Answer 6

that really doesnt make sense. Why would she say "You're not a witness" because she wants to move. There has to be more to it.
And why are you saying white and black? Who cares about that part..

and Kingdom halls do not have racism in them . At all!

They are the exact opposite!

Maybe the so called mean witness is not true herself and needs to be disfellowshipped or is just misunderstood.

Answer 7

Honestly, I will try to not go in to the details of wether or not I believes these anicdotes you share, but in the event of this question, I would need more information.

Case in point, my Dad once said that to one of my brothers, the only reason was because my brother was complaining someone wanted him to do something that bother's Witnesses. My Dad simply reminded him, supposedly he isn't a Witness so why does he care.

Clearly this whole thing, like most of these statments, comes down to human problems.

Answer 8

that this country that is a christian nation still have racism I guess that the majority of people of the town are christians that love the "Lord" and "Jesus" and hate black people, also that city should be reported to deny the services to a single mother based on race,

who is the governor of that racist town?

6,500,000 - 144,000 =6,356,000 this group will be ruled by Jesus in earth as a heritage as Jesus spoke in Matthew 5:5 and Psalms 37:9-10.

Is that a lie that Jesus will rule the earth?

Answer 9

Jesus was said to be a drunkard and a glutten.

John the Baptist was said to have a demon.

What people claim may not be true.

Even your claims about one witness vs another witness may be a sad story.

That's the problem with the people, Only Jehovah and Jesus know if a person is lying or telling the truth.

It is best to not spread something unless you can prove all facts.

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Answer 10

I would hate to think that there is more to this story than the fact that one of these two women is Black, which you've repeated six times by my count. To play that card in such a way would be unworthy of any religious aspiration that I ever heard of.