evolution .....?

Question

in regards to my previous question about Atheists
Truth Seeker says

"Someone who intellecually arrives at atheism, stays there. For example, most people claim they understand evolution, but few people really do. If you can go into detail about evolution, and understand exactly how hominds arouse from environmental changes, then you understand evolution and, consequently, soon discrad any silly notions of creationism or "in God's Image".

I disagree but can I have your thoughts on this please ?

( sorry Truth for using your answer but I am curious about this now )

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070913164327AAN1JW4

I disagree that even with knowledge of evolution
we would automatically drop any belief in God/Gods
I disagree that every Atheist stays there
I do admit that most do
I also disagree that if someone believes in God, this means they believe in any creation story

point taken zero

you assume wrong Grazie

Answer 1

This person isn't asserting that EVERY atheist stays an atheist. They're asserting that a person who INTELLECTUALLY arrives at atheism will remain an atheist. I agree with that statement... well, mostly. I'm sure there are a few people who depart from the irrationality of religion only to get scared back into it, but... ok, here's what I'd agree with: the VAST MAJORITY of people who intellectually arrive at atheism remain atheists.

And they're also right about evolution. People reject it due to misunderstandings or propaganda launched against the concept. Once one realizes precisely how it works, one also realizes that absolutely NO god was necessary for evolution to have occurred and to keep occurring.

Answer 2

I do not believe that evolution rules out creationism. Different planets have different lengths of days so how can we say that the days mentioned in the bible were 24 hours. Until very recently noon was simply when the sun was directly overhead and not standardized at all.
Have you ever experimented with a new recipe? You can add this and that, change a little here and then there you go, something good and tasty. I have never read anything about the process of how god created man that was scientifically based, perhaps evolution was the process of getting it just right.
Remember things can only be explained in a way that they can be understood, you can't explain the process of supplied electricity to a toddler, you simply explain the power comes from the wall socket to make the lights and TV work, not that there is a power plant burning this fuel or that to turn generators that produce the energy that travels though the power grid to a sub station etc. Think about it.
Of course I could be wrong but that's my opinion.

Answer 3

There is no discrepancy between evolution and believing in God, at least not in my faith. Ofcourse when you narrow faith down to a holy book that claims to hold the truth... I hate these generalizations!
Members of my faith were discriminated far worse by Christians than atheists ever were. An estimated nine million witches were burnt during the witch-hunt! So Truth Seeker: don't you dare to compare pagan faith to theirs.
As for the intellectual arrival at atheism. Even the great philosophers were not sure: where did Marx say that God did not exist? He ferociously opposed religion, but never really attacked the very existence of God. See http://www.angelfire.com/or/sociologyshop/msor.html
Actually, as I am writing this I realize that my next paper will probably be on this very topic :) If the Gods allow me to :p

Answer 4

I believe there is a bit of truth in Creationism and in Evolution. I think our bodies were created for a purpose and put on this planet but not by an entity called god and all the rest. Our bodies were designed by races older than ours to fulfil a purpose, which is lead into higher levels of existence. Spiritually speaking, we are all the same but certain entities evolved too fast and now are stuck since they missed stages and never understood what they have to learn. It's hard dot explain. Physically speaking I do believe we have evolved, just like animals and plants have done and still are. Look at us. Our children are smarter, stronger and braver than us and our grandparents, it's not only a social change, our whole race is evolving and when I mean race I'm not differentiating by colour, we're all the same.

Answer 5

Well, it says that someone who INTELLECTUALLY arrives at atheism, and so I would agree. Some people decide they are atheists out of rebellion against whatever religion their parents forced on them, or because it is fashionable, or because someone they respect calls him/herself an atheist. But if you reason it out that there either is no such thing as God or that any god is myth and metaphor for something more abstract and esoteric (as I believe), then you don't tend to go backward and start believing something which must be taken on faith. Faith is belief in the absence of evidence, or even in the face of evidence to the contrary. Once you recognize that a scientific or logical mind must have evidence for what it believes, you can't go backwards. You can discover more evidence which modifies what you have believed before, and scientists do that all the time. But you can't return to Faith as a style.

Answer 6

a million) in accordance to evolutionists, people stepped forward from apes? people are apes by ability of definition. Linnaeus categorised us as such and he became a creationist. 2) there are a number of shown information in technology, yet evolution is merely an theory. fake via a pretend impression of the observe concept. A actuality, in technology, is a discrete element of innovations. Theories connect information and clarify them. there is no greater type than concept. 3) A transitional form is a fossil of an animal that's a ingredient one species and area yet another. fake. All organisms are transitional. 4) The age of the earth is set by ability of scientists entirely for the period of the radioactive relationship of fossils ? The age of the Earth became desperate by ability of relationship a meteor on the theory that the image voltaic device became all an analogous age. All different calculations in good shape the age got here across. 5) The clinical technique starts off with a prediction and then looks for evidence to help that prediction? It starts off with remark. Then a hypothesis is formed from that remark. After the hypothesis is formed, scientists look for evidence to help or falsify the hypothesis. 6) the theory of evolution includes the super Bang? fake. 7) To have self belief in evolution is to have self belief that existence and remember got here from no longer something? fake.

Answer 7

I think it was Bertrand Russell who said that you can't use reason to persuade someone out of a position that they didn't use reason to arrive at in the first place.

So the reverse is probably true: if you use reason to arrive at atheism, you can always be persuaded out of it by better arguments and evidence, if they exist. Therefore in theory I disagree with your argument.

But there's the point: it doesn't seem that any better arguments or evidence *do* exist for theism as opposed to atheism. So in practice, what you say is true, even if in theory it isn't.

And, Eatonwriter, why do you think you should believe your pastor when he tells you about evolution? Do you believe him when it comes to repairing your car, or plumbing your bathroom? Go and read a book about evolution and find out what it really says.

Answer 8

In my experience people seem to arrive at their conclusion first then work out the logic to back up their belief, or lack of it, afterwards. In this instance I am am Atheist, but not because of any knowledge of evolution or science or hours on end of philosophising over the years. I can't quite get to the bottom of why I'm an Atheist...perhaps I'm just trying to be honest with myself because I can't see it any other way.

Answer 9

Well, Creationism (Literal Biblical Creationism) is silly.

Any person who has the intellectual capacity to learn evolution in detail will rise above the need for Bronze Age anthropomophic gods that create by "magic" (zot... flower; zot... bird; zot... man...). This is also an intellect that grasps complexity, not dismisses it. When this intellect gets to the point of making the argument for God by virtue of personal incredulity, it is not from ignorance, but by examination. While evolution is too straightforward for this, cosmology can lead to an intellectual theology like that of Einstein.

Answer 10

evolution can compliment creation but if you staunchly regard the bible as truth and unequivical truth at that then it does cause a problem, evolution needs an agnostin concept more than a fundamental concept of god.
one of my favorite quotes is in futurama when bender is lost in space and meets god after becoming a god for little beings living on him, if you use a gently touch, no-one will realy know you done it.

Answer 11

I don't think one can claim as certainty that after understanding evolution god(s) do not exist or have played a hand in evolution, but the natural theory is sufficient to explain speciation without the need of god.

In other words, the theory of evolution is the simplest explanation. It requires only natural phenomenon that we KNOW exist, and does not require any unknown, or unknowable assumptions.

(Please keep in mind the explanation for the first life form falls under the category of Abiogenesis and has NOTHING to do with the mechanics of evolution.)