God is the creator. He was around before Jesus. Why on signs and brochures for religions and churches does it read, "Jesus is Lord/Jesus is God?" Would not saying that rule God out of the equation? God is the father, Jesus is the son, so why are people calling Jesus Lord and/or God and not involving his father? Is this what is referred to as a collective?
Without God, there would be no Jesus. So in prayer or church should mankind not pray to both?
That would be like asking my sons to access my tools without talking to me. I'm not being hateful here just asking a question.
2007-09-13 09:49:23 · 15 answers · asked by tercentenary98 6 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
I am not with any church or religion, just curious.
2007-09-13 10:17:35 · update #1
As much as I understand the christian religion, it seems to be a matter of faith. Although, the father is god, so is the son and the holy spirit. Three being one. In as far, that, while I do not subscribe to this religion, it is often said, "That it would be easier, to count all the sands of time, than it would be, to able to understand the mystery of the trinity." Christians take a lot of their religion on faith, but when others base their beliefs on faith; these same people want to tell you how
wrong you are for doing the same.
2007-09-13 10:18:28 · answer #1 · answered by ♫ Bubastes, Cat Goddess♥ 7 · 1⤊ 2⤋
The trinity is a concept that has puzzled man for years, however in scripture John 1:1 In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God," verse 14 says " and the word was made flesh and made His dwelling among us" and John also it states Jesus said, "before Abraham was, I Am," which is the same "I AM" found in Exodus, and it means self existent one, In Genesis 1:1 " In the beginning God" the word God there is Elohim and it is a plurality, and we see that in verse 28 "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness." This is how we are made in the image of God, we have the flesh, (Jesus), we have the Spirit of Life,(Holy Spirit), and our soul, (God the Father). This is a brief run down of it, but you cant have one without the other. Hope this helped you out. God Bless.....
2007-09-13 18:15:24 · answer #2 · answered by Apologist 2 · 1⤊ 1⤋
The Trinity is God. God is the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Son is eternally begotten, not begotten within time, there was no "before" His begetting.
As for the general disregard for the Father, I can't explain why in the West. In the Orthodox Church, we do worship all of the Trinity, although we favor the Son, because He is the Mediator between the Godhead and humanity.
2007-09-13 17:05:06 · answer #3 · answered by Hoosier Daddy 5 · 0⤊ 1⤋
It happens to be that for Catholics Jesus was God incarnated, I'm not sure how it is for other Christians. To be honest, I was raised as a Catholic and found out about this just a few months ago. maybe I didn't pay much attention to theology classes at school hahaha. Anyway, I've left Christianity a long time ago, though I still respect them.
2007-09-13 17:57:56 · answer #4 · answered by Der weiße Hexenmeister 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
That's true. Jesus never said that he was God, just that he and the Father are one, which means that they operate as one entity, but they are not actually one person, otherwise Jesus would not have prayed to God in the garden of Gethsemane before he was crucified. It's a little complicated, but basically the trinity consists of three entities, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and although they are three separate beings, they often operate as one.
2007-09-13 16:59:23 · answer #5 · answered by beattyb 5 · 2⤊ 2⤋
Time and again, Jesus showed that he was a creature separate from God and that he, Jesus, had a God above him, a God whom he worshiped, a God whom he called "Father." In prayer to God, that is, the Father, Jesus said, "You, the only true God." (John 17:3) At John 20:17 he said to Mary Magdalene: "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God. At 2 Corinthians 1:3 the apostle Paul confirms this relationship: "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ." Since Jesus had a God, his Father, he could not at the same time be that God.
The apostle Paul had no reservations about speaking of Jesus and God as distinctly separate: "For us there is one God, the Father, . . . and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ." (1 Corinthians 8:6, JB) The apostle shows the distinction when he mentions "the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of the elect angels." (1 Timothy 5:21) Just as Paul speaks of Jesus and the angels as being distinct from one another in heaven, so too are Jesus and God.
Jesus' words at John 8:17, 18 are also significant. He states: "In your own Law it is written, 'The witness of two men is true.' I am one that bears witness about myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness about me." Here Jesus shows that he and the Father, that is, Almighty God, must be two distinct entities, for how else could there truly be two witnesses?
Jesus further showed that he was a separate being from God by saying: "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone." (Mark 10:18) So Jesus was saying that no one is as good as God is, not even Jesus himself. God is good in a way that separates him from Jesus.
2007-09-13 17:27:02 · answer #6 · answered by LineDancer 7 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Some understand it to be three personas in 1 God. Some understand them to be three different entities and the Father is the one and only God. How you understand it/them to be is as good as anyone else's. There are verses that some comprehend to mean that there are 3 personas in One God. There are verses still that some comprehend to be that they are different "persons" from each other and yet the same with one another.
The most important is that you acknowledge all three whether they're as one or separate. Worshiping or praising any of them is worshiping and praising all, for they are one and the same and united, whether how you look at them whether separate or as one.
2007-09-13 18:01:03 · answer #7 · answered by wind m 4 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Your logic is good, but Jesus said, "...no man cometh cometh unto the Father, but by me..." John 14:6 Jesus is the one that said that in order to get to God one must go through Him. That is the reason one prays through Christ.
2007-09-13 17:02:52 · answer #8 · answered by Birdbrain 4 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Your premise is flawed. The Word, aka the Son, existed from the beginning with the Father.
John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of *Christ, who is the image of God*, should shine unto them.
Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
If you speak, the words are yours; they proceed from you. Likewise, Jesus "proceeds" from the Father and is God.
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2007-09-13 17:00:20 · answer #9 · answered by Hogie 7 · 0⤊ 2⤋
As it was in the beginning, so shall it be in the end. In the beginning there was God. The Father, Son and the Holy Ghost are one. The Holy Trinity existed before the beginning, and to the end. There will be no end.
2007-09-13 16:56:37 · answer #10 · answered by Son of David 6 · 0⤊ 2⤋