Are bible believing churches completly unbiblical.?

Question

Over and over I see that many evangelical and fundementalist christians have such a biased an untrue understanding of the bible.

Jesus gave two commands directly. Be baptised to be saved and eat his body and drink his blood to have life in you.

Why do they say it is only symbolic. Its a bit like anything that they disagree with of want to sideline they say it is "symbolic"

Whatever they want to belive in they say it is compusory.

CJ you are an idiot, you could not come up with a good argument if I gave it to you.

CJ just shows that the only fruit in his life is the apple in his pocket

Answer 1

Sola scripture churches are not completely unbiblical but they do seem to ignore the scriptures that instruct not to use only scriptures:

Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours. (2 Thessalonians 2:15)

We instruct you, brothers, in the name of (our) Lord Jesus Christ,to shun any brother who conducts himself in a disorderly way and not according to the tradition they received from us. (2 Thessalonians 3:6)

I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold fast to the traditions, just as I handed them on to you. (1 Corinthians 11:2)

I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now. But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to all truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to you the things that are coming. (John 16:12-13)

The Catholic Church does not use Holy Scripture as the only basis of doctrine. It could not. The early Catholic church existed before and during the time that the New Testament was written (by Catholics).

There were hundreds of Christian writings during the first and second centuries. Which New Testament writings would become official was not fully decided until about 400 C.E.

Catholics believe that the Holy Spirit was guiding the early church (and is guiding the church today) to make the correct choices about things like:
+ The Holy Trinity (which is also only hinted at in the Bible)
+ Going to church on Sunday instead of Saturday (which is actually directly against one of the Ten Commandments)
+ The Communion of Saints
+ Which writings include in the New Testament?

Things that are even more modern like
+ Slavery is bad. Slavery is never declared evil in the Bible. This was one of the justifications for slavery in the Confederate States.
+ Democracy is good. The Bible states that either God should be the leader of the nation like Israel before the kings or kings should be the leader, "Give to Caesar that which is Caesar's." This was talked about a lot during the American Revolution.

This second source of doctrine is called Apostolic Tradition.

Do Christians who do not allow the continuing guiding force of the Holy Spirit to make their beliefs more and more perfect, still endorse slavery as Colossians 3:22 commands, "Slaves, obey your human masters in everything"?

For more information, see the Catechism of the Catholic Church, sections 80 and following: http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect1chpt2.htm#80

With love in Christ.

Answer 2

Genghis said:
Scripture never says that Scripture is the sole infallible authority for God's Word. Scripture also mandates the use of tradition. This fact alone disproves sola Scriptura.

I reply:
well said. Even Jesus taught to go to the church when disagreements arrise(Matt 18:15-17). Paul taught that the CHURCH is the pillar and foundation of the truth (1 Tim 3:15).

Jesus and Paul both accepted truthes not found in the Bible. In 1 Cor 10:4, St Paul refers to a rock which ‘followed’ the Jews through the Sinai wilderness. The Old Testament says nothing about such miraculous movement, in the related passages about Moses striking the rock to produce water (Exo 17:1-7; Num 20:2-13). But rabbinic tradition does.

2 Tim 3:8: “As Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses…” These two men cannot be found in the related Old Testament passage (Exo 7:8 ff), or anywhere else in the Old Testament.

And here on Jesus:
Matt 23:2-3: Jesus teaches that the scribes and Pharisees have a legitimate, binding authority, based on Moses’ seat, which phrase (or idea) cannot be found anywhere in the Old Testament. It is found in the (originally oral) Mishna, where a sort of “teaching succession” from Moses on down is taught.

Just goes to show that never in all Christian history was the doctrine of Sola Scriptura ever practiced or believed until Luther came along 1500 years later.

God Bless
Robin

Answer 3

Churches rarely reject parts of the Bible. They usually understand John 14:15 "If you love Me [Jesus], you will keep My commandments" so they approach the study of the Bible with the understanding that they need to follow God. - Even if this means having to accept some things they may not want to. The problem lies in interpretation. Humans are not perfect and we interpret the Bible differently. No person (and therefore no church) 100% knows the exact meaning of every passage in the Bible so churches form different opinions. The question isn't wether or not they 100% believe the Bible because they love God and want to keep all his commandments. The question is WHAT they believe. If you're looking for a good denomination to attend, you're doing great if you find a church that is Bible focused (reads from the BIble at service; consults the Bible when questions arise; promote reading the Bible individually...). There are churches in every denomination that do this so you'll just have to look around. A denomination called "Bible Churches" are pretty common now and their mission is to be Bible based. You might consider one of those. I personally would stay away from Catholic churches since they tend not to be as Bible based as your typical Baptist church (although there some that certainly do a great job).

Answer 4

I grew up in the Church of Christ,and the 2 major points I was taught is that baptism washes away your sins,and you need to take communion EVERY Sunday. Well, sad to say for 13 years I was taught wrong. Baptism does not save you-Jesus' blood saves us (Acts 10:43 is a good passage among others)Baptism is a symbol of what has already happened inside,and it's a testimony and outward commitment that you're saved and will continue to walk with the Lord. An intersting arguement the Church of Christ harps on about the thief on the cross is that the reason why Jesus could save the thief on the cross is that it was under the OT,not the NT. But that doesn't hold water because Jesus died FIRST,then the thieves. So when they died it was ALREADY the NT era. Hope this helps!

Answer 5

Scripture never says that Scripture is the sole infallible authority for God's Word. Scripture also mandates the use of tradition. This fact alone disproves sola Scriptura.

Answer 6

Dear CJ,

Obviously whoever answers will fall on both sides of the fence depending on what they believe. But quite simply look at the Bible.

Luke 22:19- "This is my body which is given for you, do this in remembrance of Me."

1 Corinthians 11:24-25: and when He had given thanks, he broke it and said, "Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me." (25) In the same manner He also took the cup after supper saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

These are the words of Jesus- he doesn't teach that baptism is necessary for salvation (Jesus told the thief who put his faith in Him that truly he would be with Jesus in paradise).

Here in the verses we see clearly Jesus teaches that the Lord's supper is to be done in remembrance of God- not for the purpose of having salvation, etc.

It's symbolic because that's what the Bible teaches.

Kindly,

Nickster

Answer 7

I wouldn't say they are completely unbiblical, but they commit grave errors in interpretation of Scripture.

Answer 8

CJ is preaching a false gospel.

Answer 9

You twisted more scriptures. I'll stick with the Bible, and avoid your cult. Catholics are not saved Christians.

Answer 10

The Following are The Principles Jesus taught. Beief and baptisim alone are not enough, and eating and drinking some unlevened bread and wine while being untruthful, or deviant, or perverted or materialistic, or being two faced, or being judgmental And Not praying Nor seeking the Kingdom, and Not Excersising faith will not get one under that Kigdome Rule :Matthew 6:1-34


1 “Take good care not to practice YOUR righteousness in front of men in order to be observed by them; otherwise YOU will have no reward with YOUR Father who is in the heavens. 2 Hence when you go making gifts of mercy, do not blow a trumpet ahead of you, just as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be glorified by men. Truly I say to YOU, They are having their reward in full. 3 But you, when making gifts of mercy, do not let your left hand know what your right is doing, 4 that your gifts of mercy may be in secret; then your Father who is looking on in secret will repay you.

5 “Also, when YOU pray, YOU must not be as the hypocrites; because they like to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the broad ways to be visible to men. Truly I say to YOU, They are having their reward in full. 6 You, however, when you pray, go into your private room and, after shutting your door, pray to your Father who is in secret; then your Father who looks on in secret will repay you. 7 But when praying, do not say the same things over and over again, just as the people of the nations do, for they imagine they will get a hearing for their use of many words. 8 So, do not make yourselves like them, for God YOUR Father knows what things YOU are needing before ever YOU ask him.

9 “YOU must pray, then, this way:

“‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. 10 Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth. 11 Give us today our bread for this day; 12 and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. 13 And do not bring us into temptation, but deliver us from the wicked one.’

14 “For if YOU forgive men their trespasses, YOUR heavenly Father will also forgive YOU; 15 whereas if YOU do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will YOUR Father forgive YOUR trespasses.

16 “When YOU are fasting, stop becoming sad-faced like the hypocrites, for they disfigure their faces that they may appear to men to be fasting. Truly I say to YOU, They are having their reward in full. 17 But you, when fasting, grease your head and wash your face, 18 that you may appear to be fasting, not to men, but to your Father who is in secrecy; then your Father who is looking on in secrecy will repay you.

19 “Stop storing up for yourselves treasures upon the earth, where moth and rust consume, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 Rather, store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

22 “The lamp of the body is the eye. If, then, your eye is simple, your whole body will be bright; 23 but if your eye is wicked, your whole body will be dark. If in reality the light that is in you is darkness, how great that darkness is!

24 “No one can slave for two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will stick to the one and despise the other. YOU cannot slave for God and for Riches.

25 “On this account I say to YOU: Stop being anxious about YOUR souls as to what YOU will eat or what YOU will drink, or about YOUR bodies as to what YOU will wear. Does not the soul mean more than food and the body than clothing? 26 Observe intently the birds of heaven, because they do not sow seed or reap or gather into storehouses; still YOUR heavenly Father feeds them. Are YOU not worth more than they are? 27 Who of YOU by being anxious can add one cubit to his life span? 28 Also, on the matter of clothing, why are YOU anxious? Take a lesson from the lilies of the field, how they are growing; they do not toil, nor do they spin; 29 but I say to YOU that not even Sol´o·mon in all his glory was arrayed as one of these. 30 If, now, God thus clothes the vegetation of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much rather clothe YOU, YOU with little faith? 31 So never be anxious and say, ‘What are we to eat?’ or, ‘What are we to drink?’ or, ‘What are we to put on?’ 32 For all these are the things the nations are eagerly pursuing. For YOUR heavenly Father knows YOU need all these things.

33 “Keep on, then, seeking first the kingdom and his righteousness, and all these [other] things will be added to YOU. 34 So, never be anxious about the next day, for the next day will have its own anxieties. Sufficient for each day is its own badness.
Matthew 7:1-29


1 “Stop judging that YOU may not be judged; 2 for with what judgment YOU are judging, YOU will be judged; and with the measure that YOU are measuring out, they will measure out to YOU. 3 Why, then, do you look at the straw in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the rafter in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Allow me to extract the straw from your eye’; when, look! a rafter is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First extract the rafter from your own eye, and then you will see clearly how to extract the straw from your brother’s eye.

6 “Do not give what is holy to dogs, neither throw YOUR pearls before swine, that they may never trample them under their feet and turn around and rip YOU open.

7 “Keep on asking, and it will be given YOU; keep on seeking, and YOU will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to YOU. 8 For everyone asking receives, and everyone seeking finds, and to everyone knocking it will be opened. 9 Indeed, who is the man among YOU whom his son asks for bread—he will not hand him a stone, will he? 10 Or, perhaps, he will ask for a fish—he will not hand him a serpent, will he? 11 Therefore, if YOU, although being wicked, know how to give good gifts to YOUR children, how much more so will YOUR Father who is in the heavens give good things to those asking him?

12 “All things, therefore, that YOU want men to do to YOU, YOU also must likewise do to them; this, in fact, is what the Law and the Prophets mean.

13 “Go in through the narrow gate; because broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it; 14 whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it.

15 “Be on the watch for the false prophets that come to YOU in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. 16 By their fruits YOU will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? 17 Likewise every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit; 18 a good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, neither can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. 19 Every tree not producing fine fruit gets cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Really, then, by their fruits YOU will recognize those [men].

21 “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! Get away from me, YOU workers of lawlessness.

24 “Therefore everyone that hears these sayings of mine and does them will be likened to a discreet man, who built his house upon the rock-mass. 25 And the rain poured down and the floods came and the winds blew and lashed against that house, but it did not cave in, for it had been founded upon the rock-mass. 26 Furthermore, everyone hearing these sayings of mine and not doing them will be likened to a foolish man, who built his house upon the sand. 27 And the rain poured down and the floods came and the winds blew and struck against that house and it caved in, and its collapse was great.”

28 Now when Jesus finished these sayings, the effect was that the crowds were astounded at his way of teaching; 29 for he was teaching them as a person having authority, and not as their scribes.