i challenge u Christians.......(non christians too)?

Question

who ever can explain to me the concept of the trinity, i will give chrisianity a chance. i have ask DOZENS of questions and this yielded 2 results- either no christian answered, or a christian answered but made me even more confused.

AND PLZ dont give the example of water b/c it still doesnt make sense. christians say " its like water. water can be solid liquid and gas, rite?"

WELL YES, but NOT AT THE SAME TIME! so rite there i have disproven tht example.

any other example will be excepted. AND NO HATE HERE PLZ.

im not criticizing christianity nor am i mocking it. i am just trying to understand chrisianity.

lol. y am i still confused?

GUYS! GUESS WAT? WAT U R DESCRIBING IS HINDUISM. THUS, I CONCLUDE THT CHRISTIANITY IS NO LONGER CHRISTIANITY, IT IS HINDUISM

lol IM STILL CONFUSED!! IM NOT LYING. IM SERIOUS. i read all answers (most of them actually) and well, i guess christianity is not for me. ILL STICK W/ ISLAM!!!! hahah. lol.

Answer 1

Qiyamah, you are on the correct path so do not bother listening to this non sense.

If jesus did that the holy spirit will be sent to mankind after his death, and it is what will be guiding mankind through eternity then why is there such division amongst the christians? they are supposedly guided by the holy spirit, the spirit of god.
Why are some churches condemning homosexuality and others accepting it?
some churches do not accept mary as the mother of god and others consider it a blasphomy?
Some churches allowing woman into priesthood others condemning it?
The church for a long time even persecuted scientists in the quest for knowledge, something that islam encourages you to do.
Are they not all led by the same holy spirit? can the holy spirit not make up its mind on what is right and wrong and convey this same message to all the christians?

As you can see from the christian answers, they each have there interpretation. Should we not have a clear well defined interpretation? God is not the author of confusion.

Answer 2

The most difficult thing about the Christian concept of the Trinity is that there is no way to adequately explain it. The Trinity is a concept that is impossible for any human being to fully understand, let alone explain. God is infinitely greater than we are, therefore we should not expect to be able to fully understand Him. The Bible teaches that the Father is God, that Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God. The Bible also teaches that there is only one God. Though we can understand some facts about the relationship of the different persons of the Trinity to one another, ultimately, it is incomprehensible to the human mind. However, this does not mean it is not true or not based on the teachings of the Bible.

Keep in mind when studying this subject that the word "Trinity" is not used in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God, the fact that there are 3 coexistent, co-eternal persons that make up God. Understand that this is NOT in any way suggesting 3 Gods. The Trinity is 1 God made up of 3 persons. There is nothing wrong with using the term "Trinity" even though the word is not found in the Bible. It is shorter to say the word "Trinity" than to say "3 coexistent, co-eternal persons making up 1 God." If this presents a problem to you, consider this: the word grandfather is not used in the Bible either. Yet, we know there were grandfathers in the Bible. Abraham was the grandfather of Jacob. So don't get hung up on the term "Trinity" itself. What should be of real importance is that the concept that is REPRESENTED by the word "Trinity" does exist in Scripture. With the introduction out of the way, Bible verses will be given in discussion of the Trinity.

1) There is one God: Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5.

2) The Trinity consists of three Persons: Genesis 1:1; 1:26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8; 48:16; 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17; Matt 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14. In the passages in the Old Testament, a knowledge of Hebrew is helpful. In Genesis 1:1, the plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26; 3:22; 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for "us" is used. That "Elohim" and "us" refer to more than two is WITHOUT question. In English, you only have two forms, singular and plural. In Hebrew, you have three forms: singular, dual, and plural. Dual is for two ONLY. In Hebrew, the dual form is used for things that come in pairs like eyes, ears, and hands. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun "us" are plural forms - definitely more than two - and must be referring to three or more (Father, Son, Holy Spirit).

In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking. Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus' baptism. Seen in this is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are examples of 3 distinct persons in the Trinity.

3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages: In the Old Testament, "LORD" is distinguished from "Lord" (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The "LORD" has a "Son" (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). Spirit is distinguished from the "LORD" (Numbers 27:18) and from "God" (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, John 14:16-17 is where Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit. This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all of the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another person in the Trinity - the Father.

4) Each member of the Trinity is God: The Father is God: John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2. The Son is God: John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20. The Holy Spirit is God: Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16 (The One who indwells is the Holy Spirit - Romans 8:9; John 14:16-17; Acts 2:1-4).

5) The subordination within the Trinity: Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship, and does not deny the deity of any person of the Trinity. This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see: Luke 22:42; John 5:36; John 20:21; 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see: John 14:16; 14:26; 15:26; 16:7 and especially John 16:13-14.

6) The tasks of the individual members of the Trinity: The Father is the ultimate source or cause of: 1) the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; Revelation 4:11); 2) divine revelation (Revelation 1:1); 3) salvation (John 3:16-17); and 4) Jesus' human works (John 5:17; 14:10). The Father INITIATES all of these things.

The Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: 1) the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17); 2) divine revelation (John 1:1; Matthew 11:27; John 16:12-15; Revelation 1:1); and 3) salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42). The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent.

The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: 1) creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); 2) divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21); 3) salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2); and 4) Jesus' works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38). Thus the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit.

None of the popular illustrations are completely accurate descriptions of the Trinity. The egg (or apple) fails in that the shell, white, and yolk are parts of the egg, not the egg in themselves. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not parts of God, each of them is God. The water illustration is somewhat better but still fails to adequately describe the Trinity. Liquid, vapor, and ice are forms of water. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not forms of God, each of them is God. So, while these illustrations may give us a picture of the Trinity, the picture is not entirely accurate. An infinite God cannot be fully described by a finite illustration. Instead of focusing on the Trinity, try to focus on the fact of God's greatness and infinitely higher nature than our own. "Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?" (Romans 11:33-34)

Answer 3

There are many examples, but in all honesty, it's one of the greatest mysteries, even to Christians. So even /IF/ you become a Christian, you might not fully understand it.

There's the example of the egg. It has a shell, a white, and a yolk. You can separate the three, but they're all the egg.

There's the example of a triangle cut into three sections. You can take one section away, but all three of them are the triangle.


Here's an excerpt from the course I took in apologetics:

Trinity simply means "triunity." Unlike an antinomy or paradox, which is a logical contradiction, the Trinity goes beyond reason but not against reason. It is known only by divine revelation, so the Trinity is not the subject of natural theology but of revelation.

The Basis for the Trinity:
Two biblical truths are evident in Scripture, the logical conclusion of which is the trinity: There is one God. There are three distinct persons who are God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

The Trinity is not the belief that God is three persons and only one person at the same time and in the same sense. That would be a contradiction. Rather, it is the belief that there are three persons in one nature. The Trinity is not the belief that there are three natures in one nature or three essences in one essence. THat would be a contradiction. Rather, Christians affirm that there are three persons in one essence.

By saying God has one essence and three persons it is meant that he has one "what" and three "whos." So God is a unity of essence with a plurality of persons.

Poor illustrations include a chain with three links, an actor playing three parts in a play, and the three states of water. Good illustrations include the mathematical equation 1x1x1=1. Augustine suggested an illustration of how God is both three and one at the same time. 1 John 4:16 informs us that "God is love." Love involves a lover, a beloved, and a spirit of love between lover and loved. The Father might be likened to the Lover; the Son to the One loved, and the Holy Spirit of love. Yet love does not exist unless these three are united as one.

False views of the Trinity:
Jews and Muslims oppose it because they feel that it contradicts the view of Monotheism. Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses also deny the Trinity as do Pentacostal Oneness and Unitarians. Throughout history, false views of the Trinity have abounded. Sabellianism or Modalism has claimed that God has appeared in three modes throughout history: in the OT He was the Father; in the NT He was Jesus; and since Bible days He has appeared as the Holy Spirit. Some have believed in Adoptionism, i.e. Jesus was adopted at His baptism. Some have taught tritheism, i.e. God is three distinct persons, but that is polytheism.

Misconstrued passages include John 1:18, John 1:1, John 20:28, Matthew 22:43, Mark 10:18, and John 14:28.

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Answer 4

They had to make Jesus God so that it would be less like pagan religions where some god produces a child with a human female; the term 'word' was in greek language 'logos' which meant a combination of all essences/knowledge and it was either incorrectly translated or purposely into 'word'-since the early Xians wanted to seperate their religion as much as possible from pagan polytheistic practices, they tried to combine all three into one.
It really doesn't make sense; especially when 'the word' is hardly ever talked about, Jesus never says he is God (I think there's a verse or two that can easily be interpreted as God-like) and Jesus is nothing like God, if reason is involved.
This book I'm reading, 'The Jesus Mysteries' explains it very well by explaining about Gnosticism and what it has in common with Pagan religions and what it has in common with the Christianity we're familiar with.
It's the best explanation
I've ever read. I don't find it hateful...very informative, though.

Edit: Father, husband, son concept-you can't be all three to the same person at the same time

Answer 5

Honestly, I'm not sure that you're truly searching for an answer as much as you are trying to prove that we who believe in Christ, His Father, and the Holy Spirit are wrong. If you're bent on doing that, then you can quit reading right here.
If you are truly wondering about the Person of the Trinity - it's as simple as this: The Trinity is what we call a "mystery". It's something that we cannot explain with human understanding, rather, like all other beliefs in Christianity, we take this truth by FAITH. The definition of faith, dear one is "the substance of things hoped for, and the EVIDENCE of things not seen." Therefore, if you want to understand the Trinity with your head, the first thing you must do is believe it in your heart. And if you don't believe in your heart that the Trinity is real, then you have no faith in Jesus. The reality is, you will never understand the Trinity until you believe in only ONE part of the Trinity first. You MUST believe in Jesus, or the Trinity has no hope of making any sense to you. My suggestion: Believe in Jesus, the Holy Spirit will then fill you at that moment, and then, and only then will be able to see the Father by FAITH. Jesus said "No one comes to the Father except through Me." He also said that "No one can confess that Jesus is Lord, unless the Spirit of God is within them." If you give your heart to Jesus, then my dear lost one, you will understand. Ask God to forgive you of your sins, ask Jesus to be your Lord and Savior, and then you will be well on your way to truly seeing the Truth about a great many things. Not just the Trinity. Although it's a great bonus to know about Him too. Blessings on you!

Answer 6

First of all God created everything in 3's. He created Time, Space, and Matter in the beginning. All three go hand in hand, becuase u need a certain time and a certain space, to do something with the matter. Yet, all of these things are 1, but stll 3, 1 in the universe, but 3 divided sperately. God, Jesus, and te Spirit are the same. Becuase u need one too reach the other 2. THE SAME works with planes or dimensions for example. U hav 1 dimension, add a line to get 2, add a few more lines and its 3-D. BUT no one has ever seen one dimensionby itself, no matter how small that second dimension is, its always neccesary to get that 2nd dimension to c the first. God would be the first dimension, in which u need the other 2 to reach him

Answer 7

It is hard to explain this as it is something that Christians struggle with. Not the Trinity in it's self mind you, but how to explain it or even envision it.
The best way I have seen it explained that sort of like an egg, as there are three parts to an egg. Shell, yoke and white. Sorry I can't get a better answer for you.
But I know that all three of the Trinity work together as the Godhead.

Answer 8

Yes, it is hard to fully understand God. I will not pretend to know everything. I am a Christian. I have not always been. I even went to great lengths to tell my friends and family that God did not exist. I had explanations of science (this all happened after I took a Geology class in college) and Supernova explosions, dinosaurs and evolution.
However, I still could not explain Jesus. Just take a Bible and read what Jesus says, he is the savior and did not falter. Jesus spoke to us...the son of God spoke to us, and it is documented, a part of history...undisputable. I also could not explain away the feeling deep down in my soul, that there is a God (and who created that Supernova that exploded anyway..or in that case the specks of dust that formed the Supernova??). I was too blind to see that anything was possible with God. I had to put all of my scientific ammo to the side and allow God to change my life. Once I let my guard down and stopped trying to explain things that were way to big for me to understand I stopped having as much conflict. I know there is a God because God's spirit lives within me. I cannot dispute that (although I did try). It was difficult to face the fact that I had denied God for so long and so vehemently. The fact that God, Jesus and the spirit that moves us/heals us/touches us are called the trinity doesn't bother me.
There is a God, Jesus walked and the spirit will touch your life if you choose to allow it.

Answer 9

The concept of the trinity is like Microsoft Office. Microsoft Office- is made up of parts, Word, Access, Excel- all of these are parts work on their own and together. I can have all three open and working at the same time. They are distinct programs, but part of the same package. God the Father, Jesus (God the Son), and the Holy Spirit (God the Spirit) work in the same way- separate but part of a whole.

Answer 10

The reason you are not getting the answer you want is because God is not limited to the laws that govern our universe. He created the laws, but as an all powerful being, is not bound by them. There is only one God, He is in three parts - each part is fully God. Can I explain it? No, I am a finite being and as such have limited understanding. I would not try to convince you to 'give Christianity a try'. It's not like that. You can't become a 'maybe' Christian. It's all or nothing. Once you accept the free gift of salvation through Christ Jesus, you become a changed person. You cannot 'undo' the change.

I would encourage you to study, ask questions, and ask God Himself. It is your choice and no one can make it for you, nor can anyone 'convince' you. My job as a Christian is to present the Gospel of Jesus Christ - not to 'play God'. Besides, I'd make a terrible 'god'!