Christians: Homosexuality and Gender Identity Disorder?

Question

To my fellow Christians:
As a Christian and I believe as the nature of being a human being in the western world we like issues to be black and white. The two headline issues that many Christians make black and white is abortion and homosexuality. Through various media Christians express how aborition is wrong and homosexuality is wrong, no question about it. Is there really no question about it? I believe both these issues have some gray areas. For this question I want to focus on Homosexuality.

Do you believe that homosexuality is "acceptable" in people with Gender Identity Disorder? To make it even more gray let's say people that have had clear evidence of this disorder since a very young age.

Gender Identity Disorder is a psychological disorder in which a child is born biologically one sex yet identitfies him or herself with the opposite sex.

MORE DETAILS TO COME.

So a person with this disorder will have feelings for a person of the same biological sex yet they are normally psychologically the opposite sex and therefore psychologically straight.

For more info on the disorder:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity_disorder

So is homosexuality (i.e. biologically) "acceptable" in such cases?

Gender Identity Disorder is many times associated with those who were assigned a particular gender at birth due to intersex disorders.

I personally believe that it is ok.

TO I ROCK FOR JESUS:
I am not a Christian? LoL! ok that is news to me. And I am not trying to start an arguement I am just trying to get my fellow Christians to think outside of the box and realize that not everything is black and white.

***UPDATE***
No where have i asked to "judge" or condemn people to hell. The question is is homosexuality in such cases a "sin".

TO Cheryl E:

Please read the link. This is medically accepted disorder. This is not something against homosexuals. This has to do with people being born with one gender and feeling intense identity with the opposite as if they were in fact meant to be the other gender. Again this occurs frequently in those cases when a child is assigned a gender at birth.

***UPDATE***
Thank you to the few of you who answered respectively and with knowledge about the realities of Gender Identity Disorder. I am disappointed in many of the responses and actually a bit suprised but thats ok.

P.S. Many of you need to read up and study Gender Identity Disorder. It's real and its sad. I recognize that there are problably people diagonsied with such that dont' actually have it but there are real cases out there. Lord be with them and their families.

***LAST UPDATE***

I am not making homosexuality a disorder. I am talking about Gender Identity Disorder people. A person is classified as a homosexual only when they identifiy themselves as a male and have feelings for a male. This is not what i am refering to. Please study Gender Identity Disorder. Thank you.

Answer 1

Since there's no tried-and-true connection between GID and sexual orientation, I think some of the people here are missing your point.

Someone with GID is physically one gender, and mentally another. There's nothing in the disorder that specifies who they're attracted to. You could get someone with XY chromosomes who considers themselves a women - and that person could be attracted to men, women, both, or neither.

I think the question gets further complicated if the person gets gender reassignment surgery - then you've got someone with the mind and "plumbing" of one gender, most likely (though not necessarily) the chromosomes of the other, and who-knows-what for sexual preferences.

Personally, I'm not a Christian, so I don't particularly care who's lusting after whom. But I think that most folks who are adamantly against alternative sexualities probably won't cut the dysphoric community any slack.

Answer 2

I have seen the Barbara Walters video's. And here is my opinion on it. First of all, who on this earth has seen a 6 month old baby choose any sexual anything?? Now I will address the parents in these cases. Children at a certain age when they are toddlers will ask about who and what they are. As they have found their unique boy or girl parts. And what to know what they are for. What would happen for instance if a couple decides that they don't want that sex of a child. And from a very very young age start to dress, refer to and show to others this child in the opposite sex then what they are. That child would think two things, first they were created wrong, and second that they should be fixed to correct the problem. Like I have mentioned this would be since the child could recall. So that the child would "think" these things. But in reality it is taught that this was true. I don't think it is a problem with the children in this, but with some very sick parents. God doesn't make mistakes, and to declare you are not the right sex. And that you are in the wrong body implies that. This isn't a physical issue like a Downs child is. But something that I fully believe is a nurture issue. That this society is now holding in high regard.

Answer 3

I understand what you are saying but that is why it is called a "disorder". Usually a disorder, such as Gender Identity Disorder, causes a person to not function "correctly", therefore I do not believe homosexuality is "acceptable" for those who have a "disorder". Everyone else with a disorder has to fight and try to live a normal life. Usually under treatment with medicines, therapy and such. Furthermore, if the person with GIT likes the same sex, although in their mind they are the opposite sex, the other person in the relationship would probably NOT have GIT and it would cause that other person in the relationship to sin, because that person would be homosexual by choice, not disorder. So I think it would be wrong in the sense that whoever the partner of the person with GIT is, would be caused to sin because of the other's disorder and that in no way make any sense at all.

By the way, alot of homosexuals will probably start claiming that they have GIT to justify their sin, because of this question.

Answer 4

As Christians those people who have this problem should pray to God to help them move out of the sinful place they are in. Non-believing homosexuals... well I suppose they are on their own. The fleshy sinful world accepts homosexuality more than ever. There is no use in trying to tell everyone how it is wrong unless they are believers in God. God made a man and a woman's bodies so near to perfect to fit with one another, for reproduction and pleasure. It is a blessing, and if you put two same sexes in such a position, it simply don't fit. Gender Identity Disorder? Those people should pray to God, like I said before, and overcome the disorder.

Answer 5

You are going down a slippery slope there old friend. What some Dr. determines to be psychological disorder does not over ride the truth of the Gospel. I would ask you to look at the child's back ground. By this i mean, I have raised three boys, none had any interest in the "other sex" until a certain age. Nor did they have any doubt about what sex they were. No one had to tell them this. Maybe because they had a mom and a dad in the same house, which I know many do not, but that is a another success that Satan has won in our society. I think many of the issues we have have medical terms, simply for an excuse to excuse them.

Answer 6

We do have to accept that those feelings are a result of a fallen world. What you need to realize is that "feelings" in this post modern society are given too much weight. They don't change what is right. Society would like you to believe that there is not such thing as right and wrong, but the Bible says differently. I cannot say people aren't having certain feelings, but I can point to the scripture where it says certain "actions" are wrong. We are not animals. We have been given reason and self control. We are to use them. This message is written to a fellow Christian, if you are not one, and this bothers you, pass on by.

Answer 7

Like most modern age people you want to change what God calls sin to something science says is a disorder. It is a sin to practice homosexual sin. God created men and women and will never condone homosexual sin. Sodomites (as they are called in the bible) are sinners. They can change their behavior just as a thief can stop stealing if they want. But they enjoy their sin more than they love God. Jesus died for all men and that includes every sinner. Lying, stealing, murder, sodomy are all sins and no is a greater sin. Sin does not send a person to hell, rejecting Jesus does. So repent of your sins, let Jesus cleanse you with his blood sacrifice and make you whole. Live for him and he will make you a new creature 2 Cor 5:17

Answer 8

There is more to gender than just genitalia. There is pelvic structure, the laryngeal prominence, chromosomal structure and other tells.

If one is born with a one physique, yet feels in their being they are the opposite--that is a disorder. To adjust ones behavior according to living at peace with such a disorder is considered sin.

Please note that being "black and white" on an issue does not give you license to be rude or insensitive. Jesus said that we must be as wise as serpents, yet gentle as doves. Not hostile as serpents clueless and as doves.

Answer 9

If you are professing to be a follower of Christ, if you recognize Jesus as your Lord & Savior, then it is, indeed, black & white, just as abortion is.

God does not say that it is OK to have these feeling if you remain celibate. This is because, as He says, "out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks." In other words, if you do not recognize it as sin & you try to coexist with it and Christ, you will still speak as if it is OK. In doing so, you may lead others to sin, thinking that it must be alright since this "Christian" said it was.

We may, indeed, judge, if we judge as God would. We can judge the fruit of ones life and tell the state of their soul. If someone claims Christ, but then promotes abortion, the sin of Sodom, or any other abomination, then that is a pretty good clue as to the status of their heart. As George Carlin once said, "You don't have to be Fellini to figure that one out."

However, in this discussion, the most important thing is this, it is not the sin of abortion, or the sin of Sodom, that will condemn someone to Hell. It is the state of their soul, their relationship with God through Jesus Christ. Once they truly know Him as Lord and Savior, He will show them their sin in these areas. And He may just use what we say here as a tool.

Answer 10

So you have to reduce homosexuality to a psychological disorder, so you can moderate your own religion-induced bigotry? Can't change the Bible, so you're forced to redefine homosexuality? Well, at least you're trying to become a better human being, I'll give you that.

I'm a straight male with more than a little familiarity with San Francisco's gay community. Many gay men are my friends and I can assure you they are perfectly fine human beings and are more sensitive and caring than most Christians I've met. Why would any modern person allow their morals to be dictated by the superstitions and bigotry of our primitive bronze age ancestors? The fact you're searching for an excuse which allows you to rationalize homosexuality as a disorder demonstrates you're looking for a way out of Christianity's ignorant homophobic doctrine. For that I thank you.

Unfortunately, your opinion is just as bigoted as if I were to declare that religious faith is a mental illness. (Pity the poor Christians, they can't help themselves; they're all infected with the God meme and aren't able to think properly.) I suggest you join the rest of the human species in the twenty-first century and realize that the opinions of the bigots who wrote the Bible are simply irrelevant in our times.