2007-09-13 02:47:02 · 12 answers · asked by Eleventy 6 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Anthony B: I'll go with...a snowflake.
2007-09-13 02:55:13 · update #1
Beta Fishy: If those "coincidences" didn't happen, we wouldn't be here to wonder about it. Perhaps, different beings would be, wondering the same thing.
2007-09-13 02:58:48 · update #2
I continue to be amazed that people exist who are unable to discern the qualitative difference between human artifacts and self-organizing biological systems which convert energy to drive organic chemistry processes, and are unable to appreciate the fact that matter, in dynamic processes in conjunction with natural forces self-organizes... planets, solar systems and snowflakes being prime examples.
(NOTE: The use of the word 'you' is the 'generic' you; it is not a reference to the author of this question.)
Here's an experiment that you (anyone) can perform right in your own kitchen. Get a container of Morton Salt. Slowly and carefully begin pouring it out on your table, until there is a little inverted cone of salt, and when you add more it just runs down the sides, and the pile does not get any higher. Then move on to start a new pile. Repeat until all the salt is gone. You will note that all the little piles of salt are the same height, and the angle of the sides of each pile is the same.
Now... tell me... does that happen because God has sent down an angel, with a ruler and a protractor and a trowel, to shape the little piles of salt? Or, perhaps god intervenes directly, 'speaking' the salt piles into uniform height and 'angle of repose'?
Also... the formation of stars and their accompanying solar systems is well understood... it's about as mystical and supernatural as the little piles of salt. Look up 'solar nebula'.
But then, some people are not the least bit interested in such 'human' wisdom.... they are completely satisfied with "God did it", without any curiosity whatsoever, or any willingness to doubt their own presumptions and consider alternative possibilities.
2007-09-13 02:59:06 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 1⤋
To Paulio I'd say the universe did NOT have a finite beginning. Law of thermodynamics. Something was there before. If "god" existed "before", it must have changed in part into energy and matter, space and time. So the universe would be part of "god". Maybe there are bits of this god everywhere still, hanging around (making sure, for example, that couples get their sex right, Iranian women wear their veils, Christians send guns and cluster bombs to the "right" sides during wars...). I for one see so much complexity in the universe (or maybe so much simplicity!!!) that I don't believe you need to add a god to the logarithm. As for the "beauty" of nature, it is allied to biological efficiency. Go on admiring nature for its beauty by all means, but open your minds to the evidence of evolution.
2016-05-18 05:29:51 · answer #2 · answered by santina 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Take a large tub. Cut holes in the bottom of various sizes. Fill the tub with balls of various sizes. Shake it.
Without intending to, you will sort the balls into piles of different sizes with a decent degree of efficiency.
Order and complexity without a designer
2007-09-13 02:55:19 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 1⤋
Actually, it seems to me that the opposite is true, at least for complexity.
Think about it: you have a 100-foot rope, or a garden hose. Which requires intelligence, getting it into a tangled mess or restoring it to a nice and simple coil pattern?
2007-09-13 02:54:56 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 1⤋
Nope! Because the complexity/order of the mind of such designer would in turn require a designer.
2007-09-13 02:51:13 · answer #5 · answered by mattgo64 5 · 4⤊ 2⤋
And if a complex thing requires a designer, then is their god very simple, or was it designed?
2007-09-13 03:14:47 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
Well, it's either that logical, common-sense conclusion, or else we have to rely upon an awful lot of "coincidences" to explain the level of order and complexity in our everyday lives.
EDIT: Exactly. The "coincidences" have happened and continue to happen. Amazing, isn't it? It's almost like something or someone is guiding things...
2007-09-13 02:56:46 · answer #7 · answered by Open Heart Searchery 7 · 1⤊ 4⤋
Anyone that has ever done house work knows this concept!
Life is so amazing though, DNA holds true to itself and
it is amazing that the body heals itself so well, yet not
infinitely - it still all breaks down.
2007-09-13 02:54:31 · answer #8 · answered by Nickel-for-your-thoughts 5 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Complexity is only a function of how limited the mind observing it is.
Love and blessings Don
2007-09-13 02:53:40 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 2⤋
Sure. Name something that has order that hasn't been designed?
Sorry, Reverend C but you are dumber than a 3 year old. Somebody cut the homes and shook the tub and that is not complexity nor order. Look at a car, a plane, or anything else that God did not make. We had to create it. Now look at life, time, stars, planets, space and look at how comples those things are. God is the Creator.
2007-09-13 02:54:14 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 8⤋