I'm having trouble understanding the Holy Trinity...?

Question

I take Philosphy of Religion, and i was wondering if someone could kindly explain to me, wether God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are all the same God. If so, Does this one God split into three? And is it possible for Jesus to be both human and God at the same time?

Answer 1

I don't like the word trinity because it is not used in the Bible.

One God three manifestations.

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Yes it is possible for Jesus to be the Son of God and God at the same time. Remeber Jesus is LORD.

Mark 12:29
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Who is our God? The Lord.

John 20:28
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Notice what Isaiah said when he prophesied about Jesus. He called him The mighty God and everlasting Father.

1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Notice what John says here. Who is the Father? Jesus Christ the righteous.

It can be confusing, many times through out the Bible it mentions Father AND Son. The revelation of Jesus Christ is being able to see the Father in Jesus. Or Jesus in the Father.

Colossians 1:19
For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;


Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

God does not split into three but he is three manifestations.
Much like Water, Water Vapor and Ice. Three forms but all the same water. These three are one and the same.

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

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Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

John 1:1-3
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:14
14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The Word is Jesus, he was made flesh. The Word was God in the beginning. Jesus made all things in John, in Genesis God created the heavens and the earth. Jesus is God because he made (created) all things.

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 22:13
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

The Lord Jesus is the beginning and the end, the first and the last. He created heaven and earth. He is the fulness of the Godhead. The completetion.

Answer 2

The problem with the Holy Trinity is that humans have a very difficult time understanding the spirit realm. The English word 'god' is singular, however the Hebrew word 'elohim', that was translated 'god', is uni-plural... like team, church, family... ONE unit consisting of several members. The trinity is actually a UNITY... the God family.

And yes, Jesus was both human and divine at the same time when He walked the earth. He is now totally spirit.

For a Biblical view of human and spirit, read 1 Corinthians 15
http://www.BibleGateway.com

Answer 3

Read the bible (men's philosophy and such can't explain God from an antichristian bias).
Read:
Isaiah 9:6

God is the Father,the Son,& the Holy Spirit.
Jesus is God and lived as a man (born of a virgin but she isn't a god.She was only a woman).
Matt 3:16-17
John 10
Rev 7:9-17

Answer 4

The teaching of the Trinity is very complex to understand, mainly because it's not even a teaching. Yes, I expect to receive a lot of thumbs down for this answer, but it's my right to let people know the truth about these sorts of things.

As you'll know, the word Trinity doesn't even appear in the Bible, much less give any proof that Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit are three, yet the same, God. In fact, they are all separate entities, which is clearly taught in the Bible.

Here are just a few scriptures that explain the logic in this:

John 14:28 - "YOU heard that I said to YOU, I am going away and I am coming [back] to YOU. If YOU loved me, YOU would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am."

There are several occasions to where Jesus expressed inferiority to his Father. >>>

Matthew 20:23 - "He said to them: “YOU will indeed drink my cup, but this sitting down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.”

Luke 22:41-42 - And he himself drew away from them about a stone’s throw, and bent his knees and began to pray, 42 saying: “Father, if you wish, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.

John 13:16 - "Most truly I say to YOU, A slave is not greater than his master, nor is one that is sent forth greater than the one that sent him."

These facts give solid support to a translation such as “the Word was a god” at John 1:1. The Word’s preeminent position among God’s creatures as the Firstborn, the one through whom God created all things, and as God’s Spokesman, gives real basis for his being called “a god” or mighty one. The Messianic prophecy at Isaiah 9:6 foretold that he would be called “Mighty God,” though not the Almighty God, and that he would be the “Eternal Father” of all those privileged to live as his subjects.

If you have any more questions, please don't hesitate to contact me.

Answer 5

The best description of the Holy Trinity is found in the "Athanasian Creed"

Here is one good translation. In this case, catholic faith just means universal faith, not the Catholic church.

Now this is the catholic faith: We worship one God in trinity and the Trinity in unity, neither confusing the persons nor dividing the divine being.

For the Father is one person, the Son is another, and the Spirit is still another.

But the deity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one, equal in glory, coeternal in majesty.

What the Father is, the Son is, and so is the Holy Spirit.

Uncreated is the Father; uncreated is the Son; uncreated is the Spirit.

The Father is infinite; the Son is infinite; the Holy Spirit is infinite.

Eternal is the Father; eternal is the Son; eternal is the Spirit:

And yet there are not three eternal beings, but one who is eternal;

as there are not three uncreated and unlimited beings, but one who is uncreated and unlimited.

Almighty is the Father; almighty is the Son; almighty is the Spirit:

And yet there are not three almighty beings, but one who is almighty.

Thus the Father is God; the Son is God; the Holy Spirit is God:

And yet there are not three gods, but one God.

Thus the Father is Lord; the Son is Lord; the Holy Spirit is Lord:

And yet there are not three lords, but one Lord.

As Christian truth compels us to acknowledge each distinct person as God and Lord, so catholic religion forbids us to say that there are three gods or lords.

The Father was neither made nor created nor begotten;

the Son was neither made nor created, but was alone begotten of the Father;

the Spirit was neither made nor created, but is proceeding from the Father and the Son.

Thus there is one Father, not three fathers; one Son, not three sons; one Holy Spirit, not three spirits.

And in this Trinity, no one is before or after, greater or less than the other;

but all three persons are in themselves, coeternal and coequal; and so we must worship the Trinity in unity and the one God in three persons.

Whoever wants to be saved should think thus about the Trinity.

It is necessary for eternal salvation that one also faithfully believe that our Lord Jesus Christ became flesh.

For this is the true faith that we believe and confess: That our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son, is both God and man.

He is God, begotten before all worlds from the being of the Father, and he is man, born in the world from the being of his mother --

existing fully as God, and fully as man with a rational soul and a human body;

equal to the Father in divinity, subordinate to the Father in humanity.

Although he is God and man, he is not divided, but is one Christ.

He is united because God has taken humanity into himself; he does not transform deity into humanity.

He is completely one in the unity of his person, without confusing his natures.

For as the rational soul and body are one person, so the one Christ is God and man.

He suffered death for our salvation.

He descended into hell and rose again from the dead.

He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

He will come again to judge the living and the dead.

At his coming all people shall rise bodily to give an account of their own deeds.

Those who have done good will enter eternal life,

those who have done evil will enter eternal fire.

This is the catholic faith.

One cannot be saved without believing this firmly and faithfully.

So, it's basically just looking at the universal God as having three aspects, which provide us with a pathway to live our lives.

Answer 6

"Trinity" is a term that is not found in the Bible but a word used to describe what is apparent about God in the Scriptures. The Bible clearly speaks of God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ), and God the Holy Spirit...and also clearly presents that there is only one God. Thus the term: "Tri" meaning three, and "Unity" meaning one, Tri+Unity = Trinity. It is a way of acknowledging what the Bible reveals to us about God, that God is yet three "Persons" who have the same essence of deity.

Some have tried to give human illustrations for the Trinity, such as H2O being water, ice and steam (all different forms, but all are H2O). Another illustration is an egg having a shell, egg yolk and egg white, but this egg illustration shows that there would be "parts" to God, which isn't the case.

God the Son (Jesus) is fully, completely God. God the Father is fully, completely God. And God the Holy Spirit is fully, completely God. Yet there is only one God. In our world, with our limited human experience, it's tough to understand the Trinity. But from the beginning we see God this way in Scripture. Notice the plural pronouns "us" and "our" in Genesis 1:26 -- Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

Though not a complete list, here is some other Scripture that shows God is one, in Trinity:

"Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!" (Deut. 6:4)


"I am the LORD, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God." (Isa. 45:5)


There is no God but one. (1Cor. 8:4)


And after being baptized, Jesus went up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon Him, and behold, a voice out of the heavens, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased." (Matt. 3:16-17)


"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit." (Matt. 28:19)


Jesus said: "I and the Father are one." (John 10:30)


"He who has seen Me has seen the Father." (John 14:9)


"He who beholds Me beholds the One who sent Me." (John 12:45)


If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. (Rom. 8:9)


"Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for that which has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit." (Matt. 1:20)


And the angel answered and said to her [Mary], "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy offspring shall be called the Son of God." (Luke 1:35)


[Jesus speaking to His disciples] "And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you, and will be in you." ... "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him, and make Our abode with him." (John 14:16-17, 23)

Hope this helped

Answer 7

This is the lamest doctrine from paganism ever. The Bible does not support this. No one can really understand or explain this. When cornered, they will say, "It is a mystery." No it is not.

Jesus himself said, "My Father is greater than I am." (John 14:28) What is clearer than that?

Jesus was the first creation of God. The only one personally created by God who was then used to make everything else. (Col. 1:15,16) Jesus said "Before Abraham ... I have been." (John 8:58)

There are severe problems in logic with this teaching. Why did Jesus come to earth? To be a ransom sacrifice for mankind. Hebrews 9:12-15 shows all the animal sacrifices made by faithful ones in the past were a foreshadow of Jesus' death as a ransom for Adam's sin. It meant that he had to die for this to work.

If he was God, who resurrected him? If he resurrected himself, then he wasn't really dead. That means the whole effort was worthless. We have no way out from under and God is a liar in saying we do.

Who was Jesus talking to all those times in prayer? Was he talking to himself? Did he know he talked to himself? Just before being arrested and killed, he prayed at least three times for loopholes. Being no fool, if there was some way to avoid this without tarnishing his Father's name, he was for that. Who was he asking?

Back when he was baptized, after coming up from the water, was he a magician to have holy spirit come down on him like a dove? Wasn't it already there in him? Was he a ventriloquist? He must have been as God's voice from heaven called out, "This is my Son whom I have approved."

Not just on the basis of scripture, but also on logical basis, this trinity teaching is false.

Answer 8

God is a consuming fire. Hebrews 12:29 "For our God is a consuming fire." Hebrews 12:9 ...."the Father of spirits..."

1 John 5:7 "for there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

1 John 5:11 and 12 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

God gave His Son Jesus that had every aspect and character of God inside Him and He was God in the flesh. God emptied a portion of Himself to present Jesus so we could have God that could communicate and walk with us. God is Spirit, but also the Holy Spirit is a portion of God inside of us who teaches us all things.

God in full power is a consuming fire and a Spirit in every place - omnipotence, omiscience and omnipresence.

If you understand the three omni's then God can be and do anything God wants. We limit God and God cannot be limited. Praise the Lord.

Answer 9

To understand Philosophy one must have a rudimentary understanding of Physics as well.

The God of Abraham is three in one...you are two creatures in one, body and soul. Why stumble over the idea that God the creator enjoys three over our two. Maybe it's that third idea that separates us from God.

In the physical world we observe the substance H2o in three various states, solid (ice), liquid (water), and vapor (steam).

The scriptures, even the Old Testament reveals the trinity. Most often when there are sets of three mentioned in book and verse it's an attempt to open the flood gates within your understanding of the word of God. Most everyone has forgotten how to follow the subject when they read, thus they have no understanding, Most all who pick up the written word of God do so in an attempt to prove imperfection rather than seek out truth and understanding. They basically are trying to understand a culture, custom, and language full of idioms and connotations without a translator.

Let those who have eyes to see, see and those who have ears to hear with hear, and those with a heart, to understand.

Answer 10

Gen 2:24 "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be "one" flesh.
Here we have the example of a man and a woman who become ONE flesh. How can this possibly be one might ask. In order for us to understand this, one has to stop thinking in the earthly way, and start thinking in the heavenly. Note: John 3:12, Nicodemus could not understand the eartly things, how would he ever understand the heavenly, spiritual things of God.The man and the woman become one in spirit, it is God who has given them to one another, and they become one in Him.
It works the same with the trinity, they are three seperate individual parts of God that make up The One True God. The best example that I have seen of this is in;
Acts 7:55 "But he (Stephen), being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,"
Note that Stephen is full of the Holy Ghost, as he looked up he saw God as well as Jesus standing at the "right hand of God". Here is an example of all three.
Some will disagree and say that Jesus is God but what will they do with;
2John 1:7-11 "For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath (BOTH the FATHER and the SON). (NOTE: BOTH means TWO).
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
I hope that I have helped and not confussed, you are welcome to email or I will chech back for comments.