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were the first followers of Jesus trinity worshipers? or they only worship the God on heavens (which you call the father)?

2007-09-11 14:03:17 · 12 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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--JESUS never worshipped anyone OR anything(like the trinity) but only "the God of the heavens":
(John 20:17-18) “. . .Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me. For I have not yet ascended to the Father. But be on your way to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and YOUR Father and to my God and YOUR God.’” 18 Mary Mag′da·lene came and brought the news to the disciples: “I have seen the Lord!” and that he said these things to her.”

--TRUE CHRISTIANS NEVER EVEN thought of the idea! THE CONCEPT was accepted hundreds of years after Christs death!
--IT WAS ONLY when Constantine the murderer pressed it upon people from 300 A.D. on:

*** rs p. 405 pars. 1-2 Trinity ***

The New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”—(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126.

The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p.

In The Encyclopedia Americana we read: “Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”—(1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.

According to the Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel, “The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches. . . . This Greek philosopher’s [Plato, fourth century B.C.E.] conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions.”—(Paris, 1865-1870), edited by M. Lachâtre, Vol. 2, p. 1467.

John L. McKenzie, S.J., in his Dictionary of the Bible, says: “The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are G[ree]k philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.”—(New York, 1965), p. 899.

2007-09-11 14:31:48 · answer #1 · answered by THA 5 · 1 0

Who is the Father? John 1:3 says "all things were made by Him and without Him was not anything made that was made." We're talking about God here.

v. 10 He (who?) was in the world and the world was made by Him and the world knew Him not. (Jesus Christ, that's who)

v. 1 says the Word was God and v. 14 says And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. Show me where the Holy Trinity was in this first chapter of St John?

Why did Jesus send the Comforter? He sent His own Spirit to live in the hearts of man. Where is the Holy Trinity here?

In Isaiah Isa 43:10 Ye [are] my witnesses, saith the LORD... that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I [am] he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. (Before Jesus was born)

Isa 43:11 I, [even] I, [am] the LORD; and beside me [there is] no saviour. (What? I thought Jesus was the Savior?)

Isa 43:12 ...ye [are] my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I [am] God.

Isa 43:13 Yea, before the day [was] I [am] he; and [there is] none that can deliver out of my hand...

Isa 43:14 ¶ Thus saith the LORD, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel... (Note ONE?)

Isa 43:15 I [am] the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.

Isa 44:8 ...Is there God besides Me? Yea there is no God. I know not any. (God doesn't know any other gods, neither do I)

Isa 44:24 ...I am the Lord that maketh all things and stretchest forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth forth the earth by myself. (Alone? By Myself?)

Where is the Holy Trinity here? Read more of Isaiah. He maintains He is the only One.

Now, who is the Father of Jesus? Mat 1:18 Mary was...found with child of the Holy Ghost. Who is the Holy Ghost? The Father, of course. What more do you need?

2007-09-11 15:37:57 · answer #2 · answered by spiritwoman343 2 · 0 1

J. N. D. Kelly, in his Early Christian Doctrines, writes about the view of Hermas regarding the Son of God:
“In a number of passages we read of an angel who is superior to the six angels forming God’s inner council, and who is regularly described as ‘most venerable’, ‘holy’, and ‘glorious’. This angel is given the name of Michael, and the conclusion is difficult to escape that Hermas saw in him the Son of God and equated him with the archangel Michael.”
“There is evidence also . . . of attempts to interpret Christ as a sort of supreme angel . . . Of a doctrine of the Trinity in the strict sense there is of course no sign.”

Dr. H. R. Boer, in his book A Short History of the Early Church, comments on the thrust of the Apologists’ teaching:
“Justin [Martyr] taught that before the creation of the world God was alone and that there was no Son. . . . When God desired to create the world, . . . he begot another divine being to create the world for him. This divine being was called . . . Son because he was born; he was called Logos because he was taken from the Reason or Mind of God. . . .
“Justin and the other Apologists therefore taught that the Son is a creature. He is a high creature, a creature powerful enough to create the world but, nevertheless, a creature. In theology this relationship of the Son to the Father is called subordinationism. The Son is subordinate, that is, secondary to, dependent upon, and caused by the Father. The Apologists were subordinationists.”

R. P. C. Hanson, in The Search for the Christian Doctrine of God, states:
“There is no theologian in the Eastern or the Western Church before the outbreak of the Arian Controversy [in the fourth century], who does not in some sense regard the Son as subordinate to the Father.”3

Dr. Alvan Lamson, in The Church of the First Three Centuries, adds this testimony regarding the teaching of church authorities before the Council of Nicaea (325 C.E.):
“The inferiority of the Son was generally, if not uniformly, asserted by the ante-Nicene Fathers . . . That they viewed the Son as distinct from the Father is evident from the circumstance that they plainly assert his inferiority. . . . They considered him distinct and subordinate.”4


Similarly, in the book Gods and the One God, Robert M. Grant says the following about the Apologists:
“The Christology of the apologies, like that of the New Testament, is essentially subordinationist. The Son is always subordinate to the Father, who is the one God of the Old Testament. . . . What we find in these early authors, then, is not a doctrine of the Trinity . . . Before Nicaea, Christian theology was almost universally subordinationist.”5


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2007-09-12 04:43:17 · answer #3 · answered by TeeM 7 · 1 0

the 1st followers of Jesus have been worshipers of God , after the Baptistism of Jesus and his ascension is while they began to worship the trinity or the three God the father, Jesus the son and the Holy Spirit.

2016-10-20 00:14:11 · answer #4 · answered by ? 4 · 0 0

Well the apostle John wrote,"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1 "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us" John 1:14

Likewise the apostle Paul speaking of Christ says, "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him." Col 1:15,16

And what about the book of Hebrews which says in Hebrews 1:10 He also says (about Jesus), "In the beginning, O LORD, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands." Which is a quote of Psalm 102:24,25 "So I said: "Do not take me away, O my God, in the midst of my days; your years go on through all generations. In the beginning, O LORD, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands"

And likewise John writes, John 12:40,41 "He has blinded their eyes and deadened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn--and I would heal them." (Isaiah 6:10) Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus' glory and spoke about him. Prior to Isaiah 6:10 this is what Isaiah saw in Isaiah 6:1-3 In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of his robe filled the temple. Above him were seraphs, each with six wings: With two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying. And they were calling to one another: "Holy, holy, holy is the LORD Almighty; the whole earth is full of his glory."

So, yes the early Christians worshipped Christ as the LORD.

2007-09-11 14:57:25 · answer #5 · answered by Steve Amato 6 · 1 0

The Holy Trinity. The Holy Trinity was understood more as the centuries passed through the Holy Spirit's inspiration.

"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all." 2 Cor. 13:14

God reveals himself through our families in marriage, becaues God is an eternal family of self-giving life and love between The Father and The Son, Their love is so real, that it is the person of the HOly Spirit. God bless.

2007-09-11 14:07:12 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 1 2

They understood the God of the Jews as the Creator.
But their first 'Creed' was "Jesus is Lord".
It took 600 years of theological debate to define Trinity.

2007-09-11 14:09:18 · answer #7 · answered by Robert S 7 · 1 1

they worshiped the same Jesus command, his father (John 4:23-24) and his father is Jehovah (Luke 1:32 and Psalms 83:18)

2007-09-11 14:07:39 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

Ask any sincere Jew regarding his God, since the god of Christianity is the same. Ask, is Jesus your God? Lets see what they say...(Your in for a surprise)

Thats it.

Take Care Everyone.

2007-09-12 08:28:41 · answer #9 · answered by YXM84 5 · 0 0

Not until Jesus had risen at that time he told them he would go away but send them the Holy Ghost to comfort them,at that time they had the trinity,God,Son,Holy Ghost.

2007-09-11 14:09:16 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 1 1

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