ILP vs. AKC registration...?

Question

My Border Collie is spayed and ABCA registered at this current time, but I will want her registered with the AKC so that we can participate in AKC sanctioned events, such as Agility, Obedience, Rally-O, Herding, etc...

Now the stud books are open on BC's, as far as I know, but someone suggested to me that because she is over 1 yr, AKC will not do a proper registration and I will need to ILP her instead. Recently, here in answers, I saw one of our regular posters make reference to a judge looking to throw out an ILP dog from a competition, as he thought it not to be purebred. BC's are typically seen with rough coats, but mine is semi-smooth. I would wonder if because she's not "the norm" that a judge might question her ILP status.

I would prefer to do a direct AKC registration if I can. Has anyone had any experience with this or know if there is actually a "cut off age" to register?

I didn't notice an age cut off on any of the AKC site, so am hoping it's not an issue.

Yes, my dog is spayed.

The American Border Collie Association is an AKC accepted registry and a BC registered with them is eligible for an open registration with the AKC. Tho my dog is spayed, it is not a requirement in open reg. as they AKC are looking to still increase their numbers in registered BCs.

ILP cost is $35

AKC open reg is $15

Don't see the point in throwing $20 away if I don't have to... rather invest it into training.

Nedra- spayed is only an issue if you intend do conformation shows, as the dog must not be altered (never planned to do conformation anyway), but is still able to participate in all other events such as the ones I listed above.

Even tho she is spayed, because she has proper paperwork from the ABCA, an accepted registry of the AKC, I should be able to register her under open registration, which costs less than an ILP #. What I was unclear about is if there was an age restriction on doing so, as nothing to this reference was stipulated on the akc site. From what I can tell, it is not an issue but I wondered if anyone else had registered an ABCA reg BC that was older like mine and could possibly share their experience.

Answer 1

A friend of mine did this recently, and to the best of my knowledge, age isn't an issue as long as the books are open.
Most of the BCs I see at herding trials are more smooth coated.
Good luck in your endeavors!

Answer 2

I would contact AKC itself concerning this matter..I am not sure since Border Collies have been accepted for registration for a while if they will accept your dog for regular registration without the parents being AKC registered and the litter being AKC registered as well.
ILP is not the same as registration.It is only a number that grants someone permission to show in performance events. A judge can question the dogs breed if they feel the dog is indeed not a purebred and they can petition to have the ILP revoked. This doesn't happen very often but it does when the judge feels someone is trying to pass off a mix breed as a purebred. Most judges are pretty well versed in breed standards so I wouldn't worry about that.

****Nedra, being spay/neutered is NOT a big "bigaboo" with the AKC. The only place an altered dog can't be shown is in the conformation(breed) ring. They can be shown in all other venues. Also in order to get an ILP a dog MUST be spay/neutered*******

Answer 3

I don't believe there is a age restraint - the AKC site says its the same as foreign registered dogs and I KNOW an older dog can be registered in that situation. There is a time limit on a pup from two AKC parents but that not the same thing...
NOW do understand I KNOW of a akc registered dog clearly not purebred who's papers were pulled once it was entered in a show (it did get to compete that day). That was a clear case of paperhanging a litter (or the parents). Just so you know if hes truly a very clear cross ILP papers vs reg are no protection. There have been enough smooth borders in agility that its unlikely an agility judge would look twice -and I suspect the same applies to herding - as for OB there are a LOT of off standard dogs there....



edit: bad call dawichisdead this IS a possible open registry situation - YOU do to the AKC site & read & look in the mirror and call yourself a stupid POS

Answer 4

You really need to do some serious reading. I just did a bit and it's very educational. BCSA registered dogs are easy to AKC register. the BCSA has been designated as the Breed Club to speak for the BC's at the AKC.

It all stems from a longstanding battle between the USBCC which does NOT want BC's registered as show dogs, and only wants them bred as performance dogs, and the AKC which wants defined requirements of all breeds for show dogs.

The ILP was set up by the AKC to allow BC's to qualify to show. You NEED to TALK TO THE AKC! They can answer your question a lot faster than we can and you can call them today before they close for the day. Never go by what "someone said" - always go to the source, and in this case, the source is the AKC.

If you hit a wall with them, possibly the BCSA would register your dog as it's currently ABCA registered... and if THEY register, then I think you are allowed to show in AKC shows.

While I was writing this, you added your comment that she's spayed. That's a BIG bugaboo with the AKC. If your dog is neutered (male or female) then it's barred from many AKC competitions. Surely it's barred from the main show dog competitions. I do not know their rules on agility, obedience, rally-o and herding competitions.

I chose to NOT register MY PYR with the AKC as their paperwork said "dog may not compete in AKC shows"....
You need to contact the AKC and ask THEM!

Answer 5

i could touch AKC itself appropriate to this count..i'm undecided considering that Border Collies have been favourite for registration for a on an identical time as though they are going to settle on your dogs for prevalent registration devoid of the father and mom being AKC registered and the muddle being AKC registered as properly. ILP isn't the comparable as registration.it extremely is purely a extensive type that provides somebody permission to coach in overall performance activities. A choose can question the canines breed in the event that they sense the dogs is definitely no longer a purebred and that they could petition to have the ILP revoked. this does not ensue very in many situations whether it does whilst the choose feels somebody is making an attempt to bypass off a mixture breed as a purebred. maximum judges are particularly a lot versed in breed standards so i does no longer hardship approximately that. ****Nedra, being spay/neutered isn't a great "bigaboo" with the AKC. the only place an altered dogs won't be in a position to be shown is interior the conformation(breed) ring. they could be shown in all different venues. additionally as a manner to get an ILP a dogs could be spay/neutered*******

Answer 6

Interesting question... I know when I used to do obedience there were a few dogs I saw regularly that were ILP'd and possibly were mixes. There was a yellow Lab with a funny spots on his tail...

I've never heard of any judges throwing out a dog because it didn't look purebred. Besides, they better know the breed pretty well if they're going to do that. If they're performance judges, they're paid to judge a dog's performance not his breed quality.

And I think it would be a pretty stupid judge to throw out a smooth-coated Border. It's a very popular breed in competition sports, so you'd think a judge would know that a Border can come in a smooth coat.

Is your dog neutered? If so, it doesn't seem like it makes a difference. If he's intact, I'd go with the open stud book.

Answer 7

The ILP will allow you to participate in any AKC event except conformation showing. You should have no issues at all using one. I have one a a doberman who was a rescue dog and never had any issues with it.
The dog I have is purebred but the person did not register the litter and after comming through rescue and all that entails we just went with the ILP to register her.
Just becasue your dogs coat is not show quality for her breed would be no reason to disqualifier her for any other type of competion.
I have a blue weimaraners and they can not be shown in conformation as blue is considered a disqualifing fault in conformation but it has not stopped them from earning their filed titles with AKC. Both of mine are fully registered with AKC but the weim club of america has dictated that blue is not acceptable and not to be shown conformation.

Answer 8

http://www.akc.org/reg/open_registration.cfm

Here are the rules for open registration as posted on the AKC website. I don't see any reference to age.

Answer 9

If the dog is already fixed an unlimited registration won't gain anything anyway. Neutered animals are not eligible for conformation and it's fairly safe to say that you don't intend to breed.
So you are trying to open a can of worms for no reason.