When the Jews wrote the OT, did it ever occur to them that they would be rejected by men who would start a new

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religion using the Jewish Bible as its foundation?

Answer 1

First of all--Jews consider the term "Old Testament" insulting and misleading. G-d Himself told us that our covenant was eternal. It's not "old"--it's the Torah, and it's alive.

Yes, there are indications that the Jews of the Torah knew that someone would come along claiming virgin birth. There's a clue to this in the story of Lot and his daughters...

Long story short, Lot's daughters believed that the world had ended, and that they had the duty to repopulate it with the one man who was left--their father. They got Lot drunk, and then each of them slept with him.

Nine months later, they each gave birth to a baby boy. One of them named her son Moav, which means "from father". The other named Ben-Ammi, which means "from my people"--another hint to the boys' incestuous origins.

Why would you name a child "From My Father"? There is a Jewish belief that the two women specifically gave their children names that indicated their origins BECAUSE they knew that one day someone would claim to be a deity on the basis of a virgin birth. They didn't want to take any chances that anyone would make such a claim about them or their children.

I see that several people have responded that Christianity doesn't reject most of the Torah, but builds on it. This is--well, I'll be nice and I'll say it's disingenuous. The Christian Bible goes out of its way, repeatedly, to nullify major portions of Torah while claiming to love the rest of it.

Answer 2

Christianity doesn't use the Jewish bible as its foundation. They lie when they say they do.

There are no foundations in Judaism and Christianity that are the same. Let's name just a few for starters.

Original Sin? Judaism doesn't have it. Christianity does.

God coming down and impregnating virgins? Judaism doesn't have it. Christianity does - and deliberately taught its followers that it says "virgin" in the Torah when it says no such thing.

A child resulting from the God/virgin mating who is a man/god to be worshipped? Judaism doesn't have it. Christianity does.

This child growing up to be a virgin human/god blood sacrifice to save the world from its sins? Judaism doesn't have it. Human sacrifice is an abomination to God. This is not the role of the Messiah in Judaism. But Christianity has it. Where did it get it? Ancient pagan human sacrificial blood cults.

Believe in our religion or go to hell? Judaism doesn't have it. Christianity does.

Reincarnation. Judaism HAS it, Christianity doesn't.

And that's just for starters. What the Church did was take our Holy book, and slap it on the back of their new book (which is filled with concepts listed above, and more, that were totally taken from ancient paganistic human sacrifice cults and others).

They did this to make their new book look legit - and in fact the whole legitimacy of their new book hinges on that, and on their main character in it, "fulfilling" the old. However, this did not happen then, and it has never happened, nor is that even the role of the Messiah in Judaism, to "fulfill" the law.

Christians are taught by their church (yet another lie) that Jews perform good works for salvation. But we don't even HAVE such a concept in the first place. That is not why we do good works, we do good works because it brings the essence of God's love and kindness, compassion and caring, down into the world, where we hope that it will get passed on to others, and go around and around and make the world a better place.

We follow our law because in this way we are able to have a just and fair society, like any other society that must follow its laws.
The laws cannot be "fulfilled" any more than any other society's laws cannot be fulfilled, let's see how would that work. Oh yes, so I stopped at a red light, now that law is fulfilled and I don't have to continue to observe it any more. What would happen to society? This is why we observe our laws.

Speaking of hell, we don't have it. All the places you see in a Christian bible in the "Old Testament" translated as hell -- aren't. And the Church did this on purpose, as they did with so many other mistranslations and changing the meanings to suit their agendas. Hell was an invention of Zoroastrianism actually, and Judaism never adopted it, but Christianity did.

Anyway, so that's just for starters. If you would like to know more about what Jews believe and how it resembles nothing in Christianity whatsoever, please do some research on the web under "what Jews believe", in places like http://www.jewfaw.org/toc.htm and http://www.askmoses.com

And specifically for non-Jews who merit their place in the World To Come by this, NOT by some virgin human blood sacrifice for sin:
http://www.noahide.org

So we have essentially put up with 2000 years of lies about our Torah, and about what we believe, at the hands of the Church. And been killed for it too, when we protest. Nice, eh?
So we are rejected, and so is our book by being changed and twisted by the Christian religion.

Answer 3

I understand you are asking did the Jews imagine that *they* would be rejected - not their book, as many have responded.

As the Old Testament is full of stories about how the Jews are forsaken by either their Lord or their human overlords, it should come as no surprise to any Jew any time anywhere they are rejected as a people. They wouldn't be Jews if they didn't get forsaken over and again.

Answer 4

Are you REALLY seeking the truth? If so, then understand that ALL elements of Christianity lie within the Hebrew Bible. Jesus didn't bring a new religion, He brought the New Covenant promised to the Jews at Jeremiah 31:31-34.

Answer 5

The "writers" of the Old Testament knew that these commandments would be fulfilled by a new covenant (New Testament). The following verse, from the Old Testament writers shows this fact.

"Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah - not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt” (Jeremiah 31:31,32)

The New Law would be different from the Old. Jeremiah spoke these words 900 years after the Law was given at Mt. Sinai and 600 years before Christ gave the New Law. The writer of Hebrews in the New Testament quotes this passage from Jeremiah and applies it to Jesus Christ who is "also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second" (Hebrews 8:6-13)

The New Testament tells us, "In that He says, 'A new covenant,' He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away" (Hebrews 8:13). "For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, for the law made nothing perfect..." (Hebrews 7:18,19). "Then He said, 'Behold, I have come to do Your will, 0 God.' He takes away the first that He may establish the second" (Hebrews 10:9). "For the priesthood being changed, of necessity, there is also a change of the law" (Hebrews 7:12). The apostle Paul wrote: "Having wiped out the handwriting of requirements (the Law of Moses) that was against us, which was contrary to us, And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross" (Colossians 2:14).

Answer 6

Why would that occur to the writers of the Old Testament?
The Old Testament was not thrown out,neither was it replaced by the New Testament !
The New BUILDS upon the Old.
Jesus' teaching are all based upon the writings of the Old Testament. He quotes the Psalms, Moses, the Prophets, all of it. Y'all need to pay closer attention in church!

Answer 7

This is a question that is impossible to answer. No one knows what anyone was thinking back then, so of course we can't say yes or no. However, my guess would be "no".

Answer 8

You mean PAUL, yeah he changed The real Bible. Christians like his bible though because he told them that they don't have to do anything just believe (unlike what Jesus had taught--''if you love me follow my commandments'')

Answer 9

Christians don't reject the Old Testament. It holds many lessons as to the nature of God and His expectations of His people.

Answer 10

The Jewish Nation/ People do NOT accept Jesus, MOST don't....... that simple......... the whole NT means nothing to them....... go in peace......... God bless