Non-Mormons only please answer this? Why do you accuse Mormons of not knowing our REAL history...?

Question

As found in the anti-Mormon web sites, and books, when you, yourselves won't go to any of our pro-LDS web sites like http://www.jefflindsay.com or http://www.fairlds.org ? you say they are biased and misleading, but we believe the same things about all those anti sites. Not to mention that our pro-LDS web sites have all the answers to those anti sites, the evidence you all keep asking for.

It seems like I'm not getting answers as much as I'm just getting confirmation of my original thought, that you don't really consider anything said by any LDS to be valid, or relevant. UTLM is just another anti-Mormon site, mixing just enough truth that you won't question the lies.

Answer 1

you can't tell me not to answer a question -- your not the boss of me!!!!!
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Answer 2

When I have 2 sides like this I like to read into both sides of the story, I have been to the pro sites and the con sites and both seem to be fanatics of some sort pushing an agenda of belief structure. The Mormon religion is an atrocity, it takes favor in caucasian males, it was created by a man who was suspiciously dishonest and it makes an attempt to modify the word of god, the only sin ever listed in the Bible that was implicately unforgivable, or hell worthy. I have come to understand that the L.D.S. church has made great positive changes in the past decade or 2 but that alone again simply disproves your beliefs, being that my wife is Native American, I of all people can sympathize with disbelief in the racist concepts of the mormon belief structure.

Answer 3

Great point.

I lived in SLC for 3 years, and considered joining the LDS faith.

I found too many problems with the structure of the organization though.

We are all biased in one way or another. I think allot of the anti mormon stuff I hear is blown out of proportion - temple ritual rumor etc.. but on the other side, mormons are very willing to overlook some of the problems that did exist in the past as well.

As in all things, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Smith probably wasn't a pillaging theif as described by anti mormons, but he wasn't the saint as painted by rabid believers either. After all he definitely practiced polygamy which caused problems in each town he practice it in .

Answer 4

The apostle John under the anointing of God wrote the following:

Revelation 22:
18. For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19. And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

In this passage of scripture we are admonished from either taking away from or adding to the inerrant word of God. To do so is a grievous sin and leads others into a lie from the pit of Hell. According to Hebrews 13:8,
8. Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."

John 1:1-4 says,
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Jesus is the Word and He never changes nor can His word change. God pronounced upon those who preach anything other than what has been taught and this can be found in Galations 1:8, 9
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

This is not meant to be anti anything but only to point the way to the truth. I use both the King James and the Vulgate version of the Bible for clarification and they generally read the same, with the exception of the Apocrypha. By the way, I am not a Catholic.

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Answer 5

As a non-Mormon I suspect Mormons are well informed about most of Mormon history.

You know how Joseph Smith was assassinated by a Christian mob while imprisoned.

You know of the widespread rapes, killings, beatings robbings and confiscations of Mormons' property before the trek.

You know about the hand-cart brigades used to go to Utah and the hardships involved.

You know how Brigham Young attempted to force Jim Bridger off his holdings.

You know how the US sent the Army to impose what you'd fled to Utah to free yourselves of.

You know about the Fancher train and the Mountain Meadows massacre.

You know how Jim Lee took the rap.

It's not a pretty history for Christians, nor for Mormons.

But it's life.

Answer 6

The Mormons I even have time-venerated have been extraordinarily prevalent. the religion I evaluate strange nonetheless. in case you study the writings of the faster Mormon prophets you will see what I mean. fantastically Brigham youthful, who grow to be the 2d prophet/president of the Church after the founder, Joseph Smith. there's a chain of books which you would be waiting to locate in a library, mentioned as "mag of discourses / via Brigham youthful, his 2 counsellors, the twelve apostles, and others ; pronounced via G. D. Watt." besides the reality that there are some "breakaway" Mormon sects that still prepare polygamy. once you spot them on television they look extraordinarily strange. they seem to stay out interior the boondocks and nonetheless dress like this is 1850.

Answer 7

As a new member of the church, I had people tell me to be careful about what I read. They didn't want me to read something ,and then start having doubts about the church.
In the church manuals you use in Relief Society and Priesthood class, they only talk about the first wife of a polygamous prophet. The manuals say "wife" instead of "wives", theses men did have more than one wife.When they were addressing the people it stand to reason they would have said "wives".
To me that is one example of how they church wants to pretend that polygamy never happened. It's like they want to give the members, and non-members this watered down doctrine, and expect them to just believe it, and not ask questions.

Answer 8

I understand your point. But at the same time. History of church is hidden from the members. I wish the church take full responsibility for the past. and admit to those things. Joseph Smith burn down the printing press. That why he was arrested. That he shot and killed two people. after he was killed. or That Brigham Young order people killed with the blood atonement.

Answer 9

They don't. I have yet to meet anyone that knows or acknowledges the quotes from the Journal of Discourses, the history of the last D&C section (If you know what words were cut out of it, you are one of a kind!) and so forth.

Answer 10

The Book of Mormon describes a vast pre-Columbian culture that supposedly existed for centuries in North and South America. It goes into amazingly specific detail describing the civilizations erected by the "Nephites" and "Lamanites," who were Jews that fled Palestine in three installments, built massive cities in the New World, farmed the land, produced works of art, and fought large-scale wars which culminated in the utter destruction of the Nephites in A.D. 421. The Latter-Day Saints revere the Book of Mormon as the divinely-inspired record of those people and of Christ’s appearance to them shortly after his crucifixion in Jerusalem.

The awkward part for the Mormon church is the total lack of historical and archaeological evidence to support the Book of Mormon. For example, after the cataclysmic last battle fought between the Nephites and Lamanites, there was no one left to clean up the mess. Hundreds of thousands of men and beasts allegedly perished in that battle, and the ground was strewn with weapons and armor.

Keep in mind that A.D. 421 is just yesterday in archaeological terms. It should be easy to locate and retrieve copious evidence of such a battle, and there hasn’t been enough time for the weapons and armor to turn to dust. The Bible tells of similar battles that have been documented by archaeology, battles which took place long before A.D. 421.

No scientist, Mormon or otherwise, has been able to find anything to substantiate that such a great battle took place.

Answer 11

I believe that history is a perception of those that witnessed an event(s), and were able to communicate those ideas or write them down. Everyone will have their own individual idea on the event, so is everyone wrong and only one person right? no...