I see people often get angry at people who say undocumented and say that they are PC for saying it. I don't think that is reasonable because saying undocumented is accurate so I don't care.
Does it bother you?
p.s. I say illegals but that is just me and most people know my honest views about illegal immigration. You can see my questions and answers or just ask me if you want to know.
2007-09-10 17:22:09 · 24 answers · asked by ♥ ~Sigy the Arctic Kitty~♥ 7 in Politics & Government ➔ Immigration
tunavamp I think that you probably Don't know my views you know what you want to think my views are and you decided that you don't like me.
When I ask or answer questions it's Not personal ok?
2007-09-10 17:34:49 · update #1
skywalker I agree 100% with you No human being is illegal. I say illegal for illegal alien. And I don't hate people just for crossing a border line.
2007-09-10 17:40:19 · update #2
Get Hyphy Not j/k that is Not funny that's Sick!
2007-09-10 17:42:03 · update #3
me2 that is fair..thumbs up 4u
2007-09-10 17:45:32 · update #4
I always say undocumented worker, or, immigrant. I am a family advocate (social work) and work for a very PC company. It is appropriate, as undocumented means without documentation, and, immigrant is someone that moves to a new country...
I also say illegals on occasion (less to type), but, I find this to sound unnecessarily harsh. Since the crime of crossing the border is a misdemeanor and an appeals court in Kansas recently ruled that while the act of crossing the border is illegal, living in the USA without permission to do so, is not....
I think people get too hung up on words. I would never scream at someone to use my words (undocumented), and, I find it really obnoxious when I post a question and the only answer I get from some people is "They're illegal- not undocumented!" Missing the point caught in the semantics...
"Speak English"- Illegal entry to the US is classified as a misdemeanor- paper offense. Your analogy is silly. If I don't register my car on time, 15 years from now am I an "illegal driver"? Of course not. Ridiculous. And, the point is simply: if you have nothing better to do than to worry about someone else's choice of words, you really need a hobby.
"Speak English 2" Please know that there was a recent court ruling stating that the act of crossing the border was illegal, but, being in the country without permission is not... Therefore, it is a one-time incident that you are trying to label them with forever.. More similar to my analogy- I forget once... One offense... no continued crime...
2007-09-10 18:03:19 · answer #1 · answered by Amanda h 5 · 3⤊ 11⤋
Hmmm...yet another marvelous question. i've got been asserting "unlawful immigrant" for a protracted time now and for a protracted time I under no circumstances fairly found out the connotation of what that word potential. As a stand on my own word it extremely is technically suitable. Visa-overstays and border crossers the two immigrated and the two did so "illegally" so putting the two words jointly is purely organic and not possibly incorrect. the undertaking I see is that the be conscious "unlawful" is immediately linked with all criminal habit. So being undocumented is now, via the phraseology, being lumped in with all different criminal offenses. This motives an association of all "unlawful immigrants" to be criminals which for sure biases human beings's thinking. The word "undocumented" is a little greater inert and greater properly describes the offense that an "unlawful immigrant" committed, getting into the US improperly. If one considers considers visa-overstays and border crossers in this mild they could have the potential to greater properly understand the character of the offense being committed. An offense of incorrect or inadequate place of work work and not that of life or aspects.
2016-10-04 08:53:29 · answer #2 · answered by ? 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
People get angry at those who use the term "undocumented" because they are trying to avoid any term that acknowledges that they broke the LAW.
Every country in the world has immigration laws.
Every country enforces them.
Period.
FYI, they are not undocumented and they are not immigrants.
They are ILLEGAL ALIENS.
You have 2 legal categories of "aliens": Resident and non-resident Alien.
Definition of Resident Alien
Resident aliens generally are taxed on their worldwide income, similar to U.S. citizens.
To be classified as a resident alien, the individual must meet one of two tests:
1. Green Card Test
A non-resident alien is a lawful permanent resident of the U.S. at any time if they have been given the privilege, according to the immigration laws, of residing permanently as an immigrant. This status usually exists if the Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services has issued a green card.
2. Substantial Presence Test
A non-resident alien is classified as a resident alien for tax purposes if they were physically present in the U.S. for 31 days during the current year and 183 days during a three-year period that includes the current year and the two years immediately before that.
Definition of Non-resident Alien
If a person does not meet either the Green Card or Substantial Presence Test, then that person is classified as a non-resident alien.
A new arrival on a J-1 or F-1 visa is generally a non-resident alien.
Non-resident aliens are taxed only on their income from sources within the U.S. and on certain income connected with the conduct of a trade or business in the U.S.
And then you have An ILLEGAL ALIEN, which is neither of these.
An illegal alien is in a category all by himself or herself. He or she is not a resident or non-resident alien, not a citizen, naturalized citizen, and not any type of legal immigrant.
People like to use the term "undocumented" as if the only thing an illegal alien is lacking is paperwork, once they get it, everything will be "hunky dory". But the only way this will happen is for them to LEAVE the country, return to their country of origin and apply the legal way, obviously getting in line behind those already in the process. They are in no way shape or form "undocumented immigrants". They are not in the process AT ALL.
People like to call illegal aliens "immigrants" so as to try to make them seem "legal or kosher" and group them with those that follow the law coming here, or residing here. It's a slap in the face and an insult to group them together with law-abiding immigrants. People also attempt to confuse the issue (intentionally) by using the term "immigrants" when they really mean those that are here illegally. It is merely an attempt to blur the issue between REAL immigrants that followed the law to come here and those that did not...the ILLEGAL type.
2007-09-11 06:10:13 · answer #3 · answered by ProUSA2 6 · 5⤊ 1⤋
I walk into a bank and rob the place of about 3 million bucks. Some cop stops me on the street and says "put up your hands, you lawbreaker". But I just say "Officer I'm not an illegal - I'm just an undocumented millionare !!!!".
Saying undocumented immigrant glosses over the real fact that they are ILLEGAL. It's amazing some peopel just cannot grasp that simple concept (break the the law = illegal). No amount of pc wordplay will change the facts.
Illegal aliens are not undocumented anything - they are lawbreakers who should be deported.
Amanda - my analogy is dead on. Say you don't bother to get a driver's license (which is like a green card allowing you to drive), but fire up the old dodge every morning anyway. You get pulled over one day and will claim to be an undocumented driver? You're a lawbreaking illegal, and your prospects for a license (or a green card) should get towed away with the crappy dodge.
I have plenty of hobbies. Perhaps you should learn the meaning of words like ILLEGAL.
Amanda2 - that was a KANSAS court ruling, right? The same state court that said Evolution was wrong and creationism should be taught? Yeah ok. Whatever. Smoking pot is a misdemeanor too. I guess that means it's ok to light up. First DUI can be a misdemeanor too in some states - I guess that means it's ok to pound an Iron City and get behind the wheel (of that crappy dodge without a license, er, document to drive).
Your point is because it's a misdemeanor it's not illegal? Because a misdemeanor is still BREAKING THE LAW. Even in monkey trial states like kansas.
2007-09-10 17:57:34 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 8⤊ 4⤋
Technically, an "illegal alien" could be a person
who is not legally an alien.
I was taught to use the term "illegal alien" colloquially as a generic expression for a person of foreign nationality who has "entered without inspection", or is "out-of-status," or has "violated their status" or has "overstayed" or is "undocumented" for one of the above reasons, or for committing an act listed in sections 212 or 241 of the Immigration and Nationality Act or title 18 USC.
But this term is not very specific.
2007-09-10 17:41:20 · answer #5 · answered by BruceN 7 · 4⤊ 1⤋
Apart from that, illegal immigrants are eligible for obtaining a a residency permit after a period of time in the United States.All they need to do is obtaining proper documentation.
2007-09-12 17:24:28 · answer #6 · answered by Oladipo O 1 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Yeah, Sigy, it bothers me. Just because political correctness has made it so this country doesn't dare say what they really feel, one of the bases this country was founded on. Calling them illegal is saying it how it is, calling them undocumented is allowing the fear of PC come over you.
2007-09-11 18:08:44 · answer #7 · answered by BimmerDude 1 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Some illegals are not actually illegal, they are temporary illegal and waiting on paperwork to go through, etc.
They are actually legal, but not documented currently, which technically makes them illegal.
I would call illegal a person that comes here undocumented from the beginning. Or a person that overstays their visa without renewing it. (because they did not have a legit job.)
2007-09-10 18:59:39 · answer #8 · answered by AveGirl 5 · 1⤊ 2⤋
Calling an ILLEGAL ALIEN "undocumented", Is like calling a CRACK DEALER an "unlicensed pharmacists".
2007-09-11 10:57:41 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Most that use the term undocumented feel that their behavior, coming without permission, is acceptable, so therefore all that's wrong is the proper documents need to be provided, and the way to regularize them is amnesty. I feel that calling them undocumented means that they have decided to set our immigration policy, not the USA, and I feel that is wrong. Being that they think once they are here we have to accommodate them with the proper documents, so that's why I prefer the term illegal aliens
2007-09-10 17:37:31 · answer #10 · answered by jean 7 · 7⤊ 3⤋