Too hard to believe..?

Question

My mom talked to this very religious man the other night and he said that he talks to people that died in the ER...went to heaven or hell, and came back to life from the Doctors.

After they came back to life, they told him they went to heaven or hell and told him about it.

That's something very hard for me to believe...what do you think?

Answer 1

Hi, Kera:

I have an out-of-body-experience every time I run a fever. I leave my body, float in the air, and sometime can see myself lying in bed. It is called hallucinations.

In one experiment, by mixing co2 with o2, 50 percent of the subjects had obe's. Others are drug induced.

There has not been one person who recalls what happened when they died, including Lazarus in the Bible. When the EKG is flat-line, and the EEG shows no brain activity, they don't come back to tell a fable.

That is what the Bible says, too: Ecclesiastes 9:5 "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."

However, rest assured that God is real, and one day the saints will inherit glories unimaginable. There is a Bible code that mathematically proves Jesus is the Messiah. It also identifies Antichrist, and the timing of the great controversy. See http://abiblecode.tripod.com

Shalom, peace in Jesus, Ben Yeshua

Answer 2

It's not so hard to believe when you consider that such sensations are common experiences for humans of all cultures in certain situations. Usually it involves oxygen deprivation or some sort of biochemical cascade trying to shut down the brain, but traumatic injury is also not uncommon. One tends to encounter what one would expect to encounter given the metaphysical beliefs they had in life. Heaven and Hell are not the only afterlives people report experiencing during NDEs - the realities described by those to have "almost died" and who had an NDE to go along with it, some of them are mutually exclusive and could not all be true.

That's not to say that Heaven or Hell aren't somehow "real", it's just to say that because of the clearly subjective, dream-like nature of the experience, the near-death experience is not reliable evidence for the validity (or lack thereof) of any given afterlife claim.

Answer 3

Possible explanations of near death experiences:


* A dream arising from the collective unconscious. The great psychoanalyst Carl Jung proposed this idea. Indeed, inculcation of cultural identities and myths certainly occurs during the upbringing of each person. But the invocation of these aspects of each person’s unconscious to explain tunnel, darkness, and light experiences is to use an explanation that is just as unprovable as is any immaterial or spiritual explanation.

* Recollection of the birth experience; an explanation proposed by the late Carl Sagan. This is a curious and dubious explanation. After all, babies’ eyes are shut during birth, their brains and vision are undeveloped, and there is no way to know what a baby experiences. Furthermore, why should people undergo a repeated birth experience while dying?

* The effects of drugs and medicines.

* Carbon dioxide intoxication or oxygen starvation.

* A flood of endorphins (morphine-like substances in the brain), released by the dying brain.

* Susan Blackmore’s neural-noise theory. In 1989, Tom Troscianko and Susan Blackmore reasoned that there were more nerve cells within the visual cortex representing the central parts of the retina than there were representing its peripheral parts. A computer simulation of increasing neural noise in the visual cortex induced by drugs or disease revealed a blob of white light gradually increasing in size, which, when viewed on a screen, gave viewers the sensation of moving down a tunnel toward a bright light and finally being enveloped by the light (Blackmore 1991).

Answer 4

Especially 'hard to believe' from a scriptural point of view, people don't go to 'heaven or hell' until AFTER the 'day of judgment'. Christians usually like to SKIP that part. Thinking 'Jesus' is a 'get out of hell free card', but that is not what 'Jesus' said...
Mat 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you sinners!’

Mat 19:17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.”

From a personal point of view, its right on the money though. I had some medical problems for a number of years. Technically, I have 'died' 3 times, and each experience was different. Once I had the bight light thing, then there was just darkness--kinda like being in a dark room all alone, and the 3rd was the looking down at my body thing.

Since the only for sure thing that each and every one of us will experience in our lives is the "death of the shell", most people will ask 'what happens when we die?" Each religion and sub-religion TRYs to answer the question.

TRUTH is there is alot of blah, blah, blah said but no one REALLY knows for sure. Hehehee that is why its a 'faith' thing---believing something without proof or evidence.

With such questions I've always like the verse...
Mat 6:3 Do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Let the day's own trouble be sufficient for the day.

Ecclesiastes 3: A Time for Everything is also a good one.

Answer 5

Two things comes to mind.
People say that heaven is a reward. So if you get to heaven why would you want to come back? Also why would God take away your reward and send you back and and the next time you die you might not make it back to heaven.

Also they say that you are in Hell forever. So how did they get out?

I would say their stories are very hard to believe. Forget that grain of salt and get the whole box.

Answer 6

He's talking about near death experiences. People who have died and been resuscitated claim to have had similar experiences of having seen heaven or hell. There are books written on the subject and I'm sure you can find plenty of info about it on the internet.

I've never done any research on it so I have no opinion.

Answer 7

The only thing that I know is what the Bible says on the subject, and that is "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord" so take that verse and ponder, as for myself I am not forsure, but God can do anything.

Answer 8

I HAVE HEARD this many times from my niece and my son and they told the same story about them leaving their bodies and hoovering above their bodies watching their live unfold befor them they could even hear the people talking about them i know it must be true because my niece and son are not that close to one another to get togather and tell this as a lie

Answer 9

And which part of it is hard to believe? If someone dies and then is revived don't you think they would know a little bit more about it than you do? If I went to Disneyland, but you never have, wouldn't I be able to tell you what it was like?

Answer 10

The burden of proof is on him. Same goes with Big Foot, Santa Clause, The Tooth Fairy, and the Lochness Monster.