1. You already KNOW every choice I will ever make, but you create me with free will to allow me to embrace you even though you KNOW I will choose not to. So you create me anyway, just so I can live out my atheist life and end up in hell. (seems a bit cruel, but whatever.)
2. You are saddened/disappointed by my rejection of you, even though again, you knew I would reject you from the second you made me. So you created me to intentionally make yourself sad. (seems somewhat bizarre, masochistic and imperfect, but whatever.)
3. You create me as an atheist because it's all part of your "great plan." Maybe you know my atheism will serve as an example to sway other non-believer towards you, or maybe I will do great deeds for mankind in spite of rejecting you (like atheists Bill Gates & Warren Buffett) despite burning in hell after I die. So I'm actually just a tool or a pawn for your use (which seems sort of sad and pathetic for the greatest intelligence that exists.)
Thoughts?
2007-09-10 12:38:46 · 51 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
You're really saying that free will is an illusion, because the future is already known before a choice is made. Thinking that, of course, means that no choices you ever make will really be free at all. That you are a trapped puppet, hoping you can really choose anything. But what if God (whom you are trying to not "believe in") is playing it straight, and letting you really CHOOSE. Then you are mocking him, and testing him (as the Bible puts it). Why? The same reason women mock and test men. To be "equal" to them, ie superior. This is, in fact, the original sin of Satan, and of Adam and Eve.
2007-09-10 14:58:46 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 2⤋
I WILL NOT pretend to be God, but I want to give my thoughts on your rather imature ponderings:
1. it appears you seem to know quite a bit about God and His intentions for our future. yet, nowhere in the Bible does God claim that He KNOWS our "every choice"... what He says though is that He has plans for our lives Jeremiah 29:11. it's YOUR choice that you become an atheist not God's!
2. God might have a different plan for you, Jeremiah 1:5, but due to your blind ignorance of His will for your life, you make the wrong choices to be where you are.
3. if you choose to be an atheist, again that's your choice. if you would but humble yourself and ask God to show His will for your life, maybe you would see what PLAN God has FOR your life! any successful atheist becomes successful through their choice, not God's.
4. mother earth? father nature? get real! God created ALL that! read Genesis 1.
5. good news is that God doesn't just give up on the atheists of today. he will continue to keep His arms open wide, for every person who doesn't believe in him to reconsider. Revelation 3:20 "Behold I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, then I will come in to him, and will dine with him, and he with me."
2007-09-12 16:23:17 · answer #2 · answered by antzjosh 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Another great question. I was going to email you yesterday about this topic.
This was a topic I had in philosophy in college. I can't recall who the guy was that brought up this question hundreds of years ago but the name Calvin comes to mind.
The basic concept is God is evil. God is all powerful and its said we have free will. If God knows everything that will happen in all of time then he knows our destiny the moment the universe or God came to be.
If he knew what we all will do before anything else was created how can we have free will?
How can we have a choice if he already knows what we will do before we are able to do it?
So God is evil because he knew all along we would suffer and yet he still created us.
2007-09-11 05:20:19 · answer #3 · answered by ItsMeTrev 4 · 1⤊ 1⤋
nice. God could exist. yet considering that there is not any info, there is not any reason to have faith. purely like another fiction dreamt up via human beings, the assumption of god could have no particular meaning or potential over anybody's life until eventually that declare is shown, previous life like doubt, that it's not fiction. via ways, assuming god does no longer exist IS intellectually truthful. And it extremely is purpose. Your comments to the different are purely fake.
2016-10-04 08:34:06 · answer #4 · answered by hoehl 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
You are the one to reject or choose not to accept God's gift of eternal salvation for every man on earth. Or did you forget that God did that for you?
As an aside you know that automakers don't produce cars to have accidents. Nonetheless it happens. That won't stop them from making them.
But if there is something wrong in the design or flaw..your telling me it would be better if they never made it all.
Perhaps. By that analogy, it would appear you would rather God not make you at all so you do not make a choice.
2007-09-10 12:54:02 · answer #5 · answered by Uncle Remus 54 7 · 2⤊ 2⤋
It certainly does seem masochistic as well as sadistic. He is both disappointed in my rejection and happy to make me so that I will reject him. The great plan is more than a tad bizarre in a zig-zagging way of reasoning. The whole deal is whacked. Why would a omniscient god need my worship? As insignificant as I am in the scheme of things...isn't hell a bit much?
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2007-09-10 12:54:59 · answer #6 · answered by AuroraDawn 7 · 2⤊ 2⤋
1. You won't be left in hell. Only God knows if you will even go there.
Psalm 16
10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell;
Revelations 20
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Your ending will be better than your beginning so that is why you are here.
2. Of course God is sad, you are his child, but he still loves you and will give you the best you deserve.
Peace.
2007-09-10 12:46:55 · answer #7 · answered by Someone who cares 7 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Does God realize that he would instantly convert millions of non-believers simply by showing up? God did it all the time in the Bible, practically when someone farted. What seems to be the problem now? Non-existence?
2007-09-10 21:51:15 · answer #8 · answered by liberty11235 6 · 0⤊ 1⤋
lets say I beleive in god mother earth and father nature...
here is my answer to you....
1. My god want someone to look beyond religion to see that evolution is the right answer... and there is no life after death so don't worry about hell...
2. My gods want to destroy religion as it sees them as evil... christian being the most evil of all. so if you disapoint or condemn them you are doing us a favor..
3. I have been given good advice when mother nature says that the atheist will serve me better than any religion... because I'm not so weak that I need to be worshipped to exist....
4. Now I tell you there is no god, just earth, which I call mother and nature which is like a father for I believe that male and female are equal... I beleive when nature is balanced karma works... good for good bad for bad.... I beleive that religions cause a great injustice and imbalance on earth and in nature.... So I say to you although I have no religion but am not athiest that the world is better off because of the Atheists...
The purpose of our spirit is to unite us with earth and nature.... when we leave religions we heal and that healing connects us to nature, although not god a great presence can be felt... this energy is what contributes to balance, to healing, to evolution... but because we don't understand it to many people give it back to religion... so that the cycle of imbalance, hatred and negativity are never broken... that is why we look at nature and see the animals, insects and plant life healing, where any sort of illness is gone in a short period of time while in the human race epidemics rage on, dangerous illnesses evolve and so on... perhaps one day the humans will get it right before it's too late.....
http://gypsys-emporium.com/nature
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2007-09-10 12:54:56 · answer #9 · answered by Gypsy 2 · 2⤊ 3⤋
I cannot and will not speak for Almighty God for His wisdom and logic is beyond all human understanding. Would God be just if He did not apply the same rules for everyone? Could we TRULY love God WITHOUT free will?
Beyond the previous questions, one HUGE aasumption that is COMPLETELY false. This assumption is that God made you and atheist. Yes, God created you but YOU decide what you will do and believe. YOU CHOOSE to deny God and His Blessed Son. YOU CHOOSE not to listen to those of us who have been put in your life to educate you on the glory, majesty and mercy of God. YOU CHOOSE to reject Jesus's sacrifice of the Cross. YOU CHOOSE to be "obnoxious, arrogant atheist". Finally, YOU COULD CHOOSE to accept God's loving mercy ad grace into your life and be saved from eternal pain and agony.
Christ died for you just like He died for me. Why spend an eternity regretting that you did listen or do something that you should just to be an "obnoxious, arrogant atheist."
2007-09-10 13:27:27 · answer #10 · answered by Wookie 3 · 1⤊ 2⤋