All Unbelievers, Agnostics, Atheists, Buddists, New Agers....ect?

Question

If you believe matter had a beginning. Explain how absolutely nothing created something. This also goes against the laws (facts) of science which states matter cannot be created nor destroyed.
If you believe matter is eternal. Explain how you arrived at the current time, since it would have taken an infinite amount of time to reach this exact moment? This is logically impossible so therefore something has to exist outside of time. So therefore outside of our universe must lie a timeless dimension.
So If you believe time was created from matter, explain how that happened?

If your reasonable you would have to conclude that God must be the matter that exists outside of the dimension of time.

Trapped by my own logic? Matter/Energy cannot be created nor destroyed by anything we are capable of, so therefore God being outside of everything would not qualify

God doesn't come from anywhere he just is.

God is not absolutely nothing, he is absolutely everything

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Answer 1

Nice try! The spontaneous emergence of matter does complicate the issue. But your conclusion does not necessarily follow.

True enough, matter cannot be created or destroyed, but there is a relationship between matter and energy. High energy physics can combine atoms and take them apart, and some of the matter "disappears". Actually, it is converted to energy, according to that famous equation, e=mcc. But current subatomic theory suggests we don't quite understand the nature of matter. Under some conditions, matter behaves like discrete particles, but under others, it acts like an energy wave, without any evidence of changing between one form and the other.

According to the theory, there was tremendous energy released from the Big Bang, and a lot of matter resulted as well, but not as we know it today. Energy levels were far higher than possible for stable matter to form at first. In time, as the energy dispersed across expanding space, the first particles and atoms formed. Was it "created"? It wasn't "matter" before. Conditions weren't right. Scientists continue to seek clues to the oncology of the Big Bang, hypothesizing a variety of conditions and causes that, admittedly, will take some time to verify. But the notion that a conscious volition was involved does nothing to explain what actually happened.

I am puzzled by your term, "current time". It sounds like you're proposing that there's some sort of cosmic stopwatch counting up the progress of "Time". But before we can hypothesize a "timeless" dimension, we need to understand what time is. The experience of change is explained by the existence of time, but it doesn't define time itself. If there were no change at all (including atomic vibration), there would be no evidence for time. That can explain the "beginning" of time in this universe. (No matter, no change, no time.) But how would a "timeless" dimension work? It would be either empty or static, hardly a place for "God" to live and act in. It's like a "spaceless" dimension, hard to wrap one's mind around.

Saying "infinity" is "impossible" is not a proof of anything finite. Yes, "infinity" is an incomprehensible term in a finite universe (They call it "undefined" in mathematics.), but that just means we don't understand the limits of the phenomenon. The universe could be a reaction to events in or between other universes, or it could be a cyclical phenomenon. We believe that the quantity of matter/energy involved is constant but not necessarily the ratio. And there is a lot of the universe that we simply aren't aware of yet.

The Big Bang as currently understood doesn't account for everything. It is a work in progress. But it is the most consistent explanation so far. Our inability to determine a "beginning" does NOT logically lead to the conclusion that there was a "beginning" as we understand it, or an existence "before" it. Matter did not "create" time. We use the idea of "time" to explain the experience of change, and we establish rules of time based on our observations, but we still can't exactly say what it is. Therefore we cannot scientifically propose a realm without it, or any entities dwelling there.

Answer 2

"This also goes against the laws (facts) of science which states matter cannot be created nor destroyed."
This is sort of wrong. Matter can be formed from energy, and energy can be created from matter.

I believe all the matter/energy in the universe has always been here, just in different states. The Big Bang started from a condensed matter/energy point in space. But it doesn't say all that matter/energy just appeared. That is not yet known.

Time is the fourth dimension and it is very possible and logical that there was no beginning of time. Outside of our universe, there is no dimensions, including time. So really, matter can exist without time as long as it hasn't created space yet.

This topic is very, very complex and would require years and years of study to really know about it. But I encourage you to research the many strange theories there are.

Answer 3

I don't know.

I don't even know if matter had a beginning, or if temporal terms really mean anything at a time when time itself is twisted up.

Explain also how an infinite amount of time is logically impossible. Sorry, but there is a difference between something that is logically impossible and something that you don't understand. Have you seen a bell curve? That formula is just an infinite line with a small bump in the middle. It is infinite on both ends. So what? There's nothing against that.

So, now that I've admitted my ignorance about how the universe came to be, please explain how that ignorance proves the existence of a god. Just because you have an answer where other have no answer, doesn't make it a good answer. If we don't know something, then making stuff up doesn't accomplish anything.

Answer 4

we don't know if everything had a beginning or not; the best evidence at hand shows a universe expanding from what seems to have been a single point.

According to the best theory I've come across, the Big Bang was the point at which matter and energy entered our continuum (the space/time mileau which we have only begun to measure); not that it was created then - but the rules of physics that governed what came before were likely so different thsat they cannot be measured (sort of like trying to guess what a thoroughly erased and washed chalkboard once said).

Science of the cosmos is still a relatively new field; in the coming centuries we'll likely have better answers. But even our best unanswered questions are better than a default position of dogma.

If you define god as anything beyond the measure of science, then according to you, medierval peoples were woreshipping dark matter and the like. If that's your god, so be it.

Answer 5

There are a myriad of theories and hypothesis' out there trying to explain just that...one is called the Big Crunch, I'll leave YOU to do the research for it and just say this, Big Bang is the alpha, and the Big Crunch is the omega....also another theory is that there was some sort of distortion between dimensions or something like that...also, if all matter and energy had some sort of beginning, how did God get created then? As for being reasonable, I do not think that a possible deity just poofed matter into existence, because that once again would violate the laws of science...so...trapped you maybe?

Answer 6

If your reasonable you would have to conclude that God must be the matter that exists outside of the dimension of time.

I don't think that statement goes against Buddhism or Hinduism Its also in Genesis if read as metaphor as its supposed to be read and not as history. It does explain allot however.
God is transcendent. If your saying God exists outside of something your still placing God inside or outside a human Box its still an attempt to define what cannot be defined.
Have you read the Upanishads? There is no separation. Everything is God. We place walls or Maya between us.
God IS
Maya or the walls are the gate Guardians. Keeping us out of Edan.
In Buddhism the guardians are of our own creation our Egos. IN Christianity our ego and clinging to this world can only be passed with Jesus.
Its almost exactly the same thing just different cultural references.

Answer 7

Well, johnathan, I'm afraid you've really lost it this time--the point, I mean! Just because science hasn't conclusively solved every why-for in the history of the universe, then how does that automatically lead to the assumption that a supernatural mock-up of Zeus must be the reason for it all.

I can tell you never went too far in physics--after all there is a little deeper exploration of the matter/infinity issue that you've raised--in fact dark matter and the like have been all but proven for like, 20 years or so already--and the Hubble telescope's photo of galaxy cluster CI 0024+17 shows distortions that uphold the dark matter argument.

Answer 8

Matter can not be created or destroyed, only changed-- that's wel-known in the science world. It has always been and always will be, like a loop. But, it can be changed-- hence the universe as we see it now. Time is a human created concept and, much like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder.

It is reasonable to disbelieve in God. The Bible has zero logic behind it, have you ever actually read it? Plus, it has no proof behind it. The only reason there was a Bible in the first place is because 2000 years ago no one had discovered science-- therefor, they had to put forth some explanation about how they got there. Hence the myths of the Christian God were created.

Use logic. It's your friend.

Answer 9

Well I'm sorry but I don't believe that something came out of nothing, I believe something was always there.

Er 'smirk' above

What about God is the matter of the Universe.

Erm that God exists within the Universe.

That God exists outside the Universe.

That God exists outside of time and any matter.

That God does not exist.

That God exists but we have absolutely no concept of who or what or how God exists.

Oh I could go on all day

Answer 10

I have two different scenarios for you...
One. Matter at one time existed as a whole and then dispursed across the Universe creating everything and all the variations and will eventually collapse back in on it self.
Two. Our Universe is not the only Universe and they all effect each other in unknowable ways, that science hasn't deduced yet.