Problem with popular cat URL?

Question

I've tried other means of finding a solution to this problem but have reached a dead end. This IS technically cat related, so ....

Please copy and paste the following link into your answer. You may paste it into either the general Answer area or the Source box. Please let me know if it results in a 999 error. If you get that error, just hit the back button and indicate that it didn't work, and in which area you pasted it.

http://www.catinfo.org/commercialcannedfoods.htm

I use this one all the time and lately it results in that error regardless of where I put it. I don't think it's just me, and I'm sure it's ONLY this link that gives me problems. I'd like to have even more data to report to them because it's very irritating!

Now to conform to the rules, my real question is - what's your cat's name?

Note to self: 2:30pm on....

And I am the proud owner of Poppy and Sophie (pictured).

Answer 1

http://www.catinfo.org/commercialcannedfoods.htm

His name is, very appropriately, Monster.

Edit: i tried clicking them and they work for me.

Answer 2

It worked fine for me...
code 999 is usually the servers catch-all for "we don't know what happened, so try again"

Cat's names:
Ms. Bell Jingles(or just Jingles)
Mr. T(short for trouble)
Fatboy(recently died, Fatboy as in the Harley)

Answer 3

The link works for me

Cat names:
Ollie
Max
Dexter
Sadie
Patches
Misha
Sasha
Lilly

I have a lot of cats :)

Answer 4

Try going to the basic site at this:
http://www.catinfo.org/

I was able to get in.

Answer 5

It worked for me...

COMMERCIAL CANNED FOODS

Lisa A. Pierson, DVM


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No commercial cat food you buy is without some drawbacks, but listed below are some canned foods made by companies that have gone the extra mile to either use no grains or minimize them and other plant-based “fillers” in their foods and use meat as the primary ingredient - not a meat by-product. The listed foods are also void of any questionable preservatives such as BHA, BHT, and ethoxyquin and do not contain any by-products. None of the listed products contain corn, wheat, or soy. This list is not comprehensive. Companies also have variations in ingredients within their own product line. They will also change ingredients in any given food from time to time. Remember to always read the ingredient list and bear in mind that just because a label says “premium” or “natural”, this does not necessarily mean that the food inside the can is appropriate for your carnivore. Websites are listed for your convenience in order to find the stores nearest you that carry the company’s products. (Call the stores to see if they do carry the products.)

June 18, 2007 update:

Even though I am hoping that you have read my Feeding Your Cat: Know the Basics of Feline Nutrition article and will not be feeding any dry food in the future, I had to add a link to this commentary on the 'breed-specific' dry foods that are currently being marketed by companies obviously desperate to gain more market share by hoping that the consumer will actually believe the absurd claims that they make regarding these diets. Please see this link for more information.

Now, back to canned foods:

By-products

Cost and quality

Calculating carbohydrate percentage (This may give you a headache.....)

Skip right to the food list.

By-products

This is an area of controversy and there are no clear-cut answers as to whether to feed products containing them because the quality and quantity can vary with each company and batch of food. By-products are normal parts of a carnivore's diet and consist of some very nutritious organ meats such as liver and kidneys. On the other hand, by-products can also include feet and feathers which are of very low biological value. The problem is that it is impossible to tell the actual composition and level of quality of the by-products in any food.

By-products do include some very nutritious items but they also contain organs that have been deemed "unfit for human consumption" and this is where personal reluctance enters into my decision to feed a food without by-products. Organs that show signs of disease such as cancer or infection are 're-routed' from the human meat market to the pet food market. The fact that cats eat by-products in the wild cannot be disputed, but the by-products consumed fresh 'on the hoof' are not the same as those that have been designated as unfit for human consumption so the two situations are not entirely comparable.

It would not bother me to feed by-products to my cats if the reason they were deemed unfit for human consumption was simply due to the human-perceived "ick" factor...i.e....most humans do not want to eat animal brains (mad cow disease, not withstanding) or animal spleens. The problem is that it often goes past the aesthetics issue when considering the issue of diseased organs being included in the by-product mix.

The whole issue of by-products or no by-products is a personal one. We also have to pick our battles with our cats. For instance, many cats love Fancy Feast varieties that contain by-products and we all know how picky cats can be and how important it is for them to eat - especially when they are ill or are diabetic and must eat on schedule.

On a favorable note, at least by-products are not hyperallergenic, do not contribute a carbohydrate load to the food, and are of animal origin - not plant origin. It also makes more sense to include small amounts of animal-derived by-products in a carnivore's diet than it does to add hyperallergenic grains like corn, wheat or soy.

The With Grains list below does not contain foods with corn, wheat or soy in them but lists foods with other types of grains. If feeding a diabetic cat, it can be argued that a completely grain-free food that contains by-products (such as most varieties of Fancy Feast) is going to be lower in carbohydrates and is therefore a better choice for a cat with this disease. However, always check the carbohydrate content of any food that you are feeding to a diabetic cat. More on that below.

Part of the problem with deciding what food to feed is that we never know the exact quantity of any ingredient that is actually in the product. We all know that ingredients are listed in descending order by weight but that does not tell the whole story. For instance, there is a trick called "ingredient splitting" whereby the manufacturers split up the grain fractions or the by-product fractions so that they can be listed lower on the ingredient list, but when all of the grain or by-product sources are added together, they total more than the muscle meat that is listed first. (This frustration with label reading is one reason why I make my own cat food....)

Personally, I would rather feed a diet free of both grains and by-products as my first choice for a commercial food. For instance, even though I make most of my cats' food, I do feed some of the diets from the Grain-Free list below for variety and convenience.

Cost and Quality

Economics must be factored into any decision regarding what we feed our pets. The foods listed below can be quite expensive and may be outside of a person's budget so let's look at this further and prioritize things a bit. Of course all levels of quality can be mixed and matched according to a person's budget and the needs of the cat.

Generally speaking, there are 4 basic levels of canned food:

Products that contain all by-products and no muscle meat such as Friskies and 9-Lives. Please note that Friskies has started to add rice to some varieties of these lower quality foods which is very disappointing as it just adds carbohydrates to an otherwise low-carb food.

Products that have a muscle meat listed as a first ingredient followed by by-products. Examples include some varieties of Fancy Feast. (Always read the labels because some flavors of Fancy Feast start with by-products as a first ingredient and do not list any muscle meat after the by-products making these varieties fit into category 1.)

Products that contain only muscle meat and no by-products but also contain grains. Examples of these types of foods are found below under the heading With Grains.

Products that contain only muscle meat and no by-products or grains. See the Grain-Free list below.

It can be argued that category 2 and 3 could be switched depending on the level of by-products versus grains.

On a favorable note, no matter which category you choose from, when comparing even the lowest quality canned food to a dry food, most canned products at least cover the three most important issues:

Canned food contains the appropriate amount of water for a species with a very low thirst drive and will result in an optimally hydrated cat.

Canned food derives most, if not all, of its protein from animal sources - not plant sources.

Canned food is lower in carbohydrates than dry food.

There are a few exceptions to the #3 statement above. For instance, Innova makes a dry food called EVO that is approximately 8% carbohydrates (even lower than some canned foods) and is grain-free. Unfortunately, it is still a dry food and is still far too low in water content to be an appropriate diet for a cat. EVO dry food is also very high in calories and often results in an unhealthy weight gain for many cats fed this diet. Also please consider that all dry foods are cooked for long periods of time at very high temperatures and this alters the biological value of many nutrients.

EVO does have its place, however, and can be used as a low-carb dry food during the transition stage when moving a dry food addict to canned food. This is especially important for diabetic cats that ended up in their diabetic condition from being fed a high-carb dry food - which defines most diabetic cats. These diabetic, dry food addicts can at least have their carb load decreased substantially while their caretakers work to get them on a more nutritious low-carb canned food.

It is best to stay under ~10 - 12% of calories from carbohydrates - especially if your cat is diabetic. If you are caring for a diabetic cat please read Feline Diabetes and Carbohydrates and make sure that you understand the need to decrease the insulin dosage if you are decreasing the carbohydrate intake of your cat.

Another exception to #3 above is, as one example, the Hill's Science Diet line of canned foods. Many of these foods (both the prescription and non-prescription foods) are very high in carbohydrates and are not diets that I would recommend feeding.

For the math-inclined, I have added a section below showing two methods to calculate the percentage of carbohydrates in food.

Calculating the Carbohydrate Percentage

You will see conflicting carbohydrate values listed for the same food depending on how the value is calculated. There are three basic methods used to calculate the value of an individual nutrient:

As a percentage of food weight (Manufacturers' websites)

As a percentage of dry matter (dry matter basis)

As a percentage of calories (Janet and Binky's site)

When determining the carbohydrate content of a food, method 2 and 3 will yield roughly the same number.

Even though it is preferable to discuss nutrition in terms of the percentage of calories that a nutrient provides, most pet food manufacturers list their products' nutrients in the form of percentage of weight.

Nutrient information may be listed in two different formats on the manufacturers' websites. One is the Guaranteed Analysis (GA) figures (should be on all websites and on the side of the actual can of food) and the other is the As Fed (AF) figures (sometimes, but not always, provided on the websites). AF values more accurately reflect what is in the product and you should try and obtain them from the company - especially if you are dealing with a diabetic cat. GA values are only minimums and maximums and really are not terribly accurate but can provide a rough guesstimation of the contained nutrients. Whenever possible, use the AF values.

To calculate the approximate weight of the carbohydrate in a food, add up the values for moisture, protein, fat, fiber, and ash and subtract this value from 100%. Here is an example from the PetGuard website for their Organic Chicken and Vegetable Entree:

GUARANTEED ANALYSIS:
Crude Protein 9.0% Min
Crude Fat 7.0% Min
Crude Fiber 1.0% Max
Moisture 78.0% Max
Ash 2.3% Max

Unfortunately, they do not list the As Fed values so we will have to use these Guaranteed Analysis values.

If we add up the above figures, and then subtract this value from 100%, we come up with a rough idea of the carbohydrate content of this food: 3%.

But we are not finished yet. The value of 3% needs to be converted to a 'dry matter basis' (DMB) for accuracy. This calculation takes the water component out of the equation and then allows values for canned and dry foods to be comparable. See here for an explanation of dry matter basis.

For the DMB value, we see that there is 78% water in this food. That leaves 22% as dry matter. If we take our 3% and divide it by 22% we come up with 14% carbohydrates (by weight) on a dry matter basis. With further calculations to compute the calories from carbohydrates, we come up with a value of 11%.

Calculating the percentage of calories from the carbohydrate part of the diet can be done with a few equations (shown below) but a wonderful resource for this information can be found on Janet and Binky's list located here. Fortunately, Janet is a stickler for detail and her chart only reflects the AF values (not the GA values) for accuracy. Janet has been a big help to me in my never-ending quest for nutritional knowledge. Please also see her FAQ page that discusses her food charts and how the values were calculated.

For the sake of completeness of this webpage, I will go over the calculations below. Again, less than 10-12% of a carnivore's calories should be derived from a carbohydrate source.

When calculating the percentage of calories derived from the proteins, fats and carbohydrates in a high quality food, we know that 4 calories are contributed by every gram of carbohydrate. For every gram of protein, 4 calories are provided and for every gram of fat, 9 calories are added. Readers may be familiar with these values of 4, 4 and 9 for the calories supplied by, respectively, carbohydrates, proteins and fats since we see these values on the containers of food that we eat daily. Pet foods that are of lower quality (high in by-products) than the ones listed on this webpage are less biologically valuable so lower numbers are used - 3.5 calories for each gram of carbohydrate, 3.5 for each gram of protein and 8.5 for each gram of fat. Janet uses these lower figures for her chart.

For these calculations, you don't have to worry about converting the values to DMB since the water content does not matter when looking at the percent-of-calories issue. (You must stay consistent, however, by using all figures leaving the water in [as fed], or using all figures taking the water out [DMB]) This is the nice thing about these values - you can compare canned and dry food and not worry about the vastly different moisture content of the two types of foods.

We will use the PetGuard example above - keeping in mind the limitations for accuracy when using GA numbers:

GUARANTEED ANALYSIS:
Crude Protein 9.0% Min
Crude Fat 7.0% Min
Crude Fiber 1.0% Max
Moisture 78.0% Max
Ash 2.3% Max

We see that 9% of this food is made up of protein (9 grams of protein per 100g of food) so 9 X 4 = 36 calories from protein. Repeating the calculation for the 7% fat, we get 7 X 9 = 63 calories and from our calculations above, we know that this food is 3% carbohydrates. 3 X 4 = 12 calories from carbohydrates.

36 + 63 + 12 = 111 total calories per 100 grams of food

To calculate the percentage of overall calories from each food source, divide each amount by the total calories:

Protein: 36 divided by 111 = 32%

Fat: 63 divided by 111 = 57%

Carbohydrate: 12 divided by 111 = 11%

To double-check your math, add up the percentages to make sure they equal 100%.

32% + 57% + 11% = 100%


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HIGH QUALITY, GRAIN-FREE CANNED FOODS

Wellness: (www.omhpet.com) Wellness is a complete, balanced diet. No supplementation is needed and can be fed, as is, on a daily basis as the sole diet. Wellness is a very low carbohydrate (range depending on variety: 1%-12%), high quality canned food. Note: This company has chosen to start adding grains (brown rice) to some of the canned foods. This will increase the carbohydrate content. Be sure to look for a small yellow triangle on the front of the can stating that the food is "Grain Free".

Nature's Variety: (http://www.naturesvariety.com) Nature's Variety canned food is also a complete, balance diet that is great for daily use. No supplementation is need. This is also a very low carbohydrate food. Nature's Variety also makes a high quality raw food.

EVO: (www.naturapet.com) Innova EVO is a complete diet for daily feeding and only 3% of its calories come from carbohydrates. **Please note that this food is very high in phosphorus and would not be a good food choice for any cat that is showing signs of renal insufficiency.

Wysong’s Au Jus Canned Meats: (www.wysong.net) Several of Wysong’s regular canned diets have undesirable grains in them but the plain canned meats are grainless. These are referred to as "All Meat" or "Au Jus". These all-meat diets are devoid of calcium so they are not balanced for daily use. You must add Wysong’s “Call of the Wild” supplement to ensure that the meals are properly balanced if used as a sole diet. Otherwise, use the Au Jus canned food, without supplementation, for a few meals each week. Not every meal needs to be balanced so this is an excellent use for this product. These products are relatively expensive and are sometimes hard to find.

Avoderm Select Cuts: (www.breeders-choice.com) This high quality product is a complete diet for daily use. Please disregard the Breeder's Choice website that urges the reader to provide dry food at all times. This is very poor advice.

Wysong’s Archetype: This is not a canned food. It is a cold-processed grainless diet, containing high quality meats, bones, organs, probiotic cultures, and other supplements. You add water to hydrate this food and then serve. This product is relatively expensive and hard to find.

Merrick: (www.merrickpetcare.com) This company makes some varieties of canned products without grains but several of them do contain grains. Read the labels carefully.

Whole Paws: This is a Whole Foods Market brand and is only carried in their stores. I like this food because it is very basic and contains nothing other than a single meat source and broth. It is balanced for daily use and would be a very good 'hypoallergenic/limited ingredient' diet to try for a cat with IBD or any allergy/food intolerance. It comes in 3 varieties: chicken, beef, and fish. Please note that beef and fish are considered to be common allergens in the cat so I urge you to feed the chicken variety only. Note: As of around mid 2006, WFM stopped making this food. I have no idea if they will ever start offering it again.

Country Pet: (www.countrypet.com) This is a frozen product that is not raw but also is not heavily cooked. This company blanches the meats prior to freezing. I feed this to my cats as a supplement to their raw meat diet for variety. I find it in a freezer cart in the pet food section at Whole Foods Market. Check their website for other sources. I feed the Chicken dog food and sometimes the Fish and Chicken cat food. I say "sometimes" because I do not like to feed a lot of fish to my cats and I never feed it to my IBD cat due to its tendency to be hyperallergenic in the cat. This is why I prefer the Chicken dog food over the Fish and Chicken cat food but we all know that commercially prepared (cooked) dog food, as a general rule, should not be fed to cats because cats need more taurine (an essential amino acid) than dogs do. I have checked with the company that produces this food and have been assured that there is enough taurine in the dog food to meet a cat's needs. (In fact, the cat and dog food contain the same amount of taruine.) That said, if I was going to feed more than 50% of the total diet comprising either of these foods, I would feel more comfortable adding in 50 mg of taurine to each meal for a total taurine supplementation of 100mg/day. (The other option is to just add 100 mg to one feeding/day.) Taurine can be purchased in any health food store or Whole Foods Market or can be purchased online at www.iherb.com or other internet sources. Use the capsule or loose powder form and mix into the food. Some taurine is always lost even with minimal processing of the meat. This company does not add any extra taurine to either the cat or the dog food to account for any losses so it just adds to my personal comfort level to add some if this diet is going to make up more than 50% of the total diet.


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QUALITY CANNED FOODS WITH GRAINS

(but no corn, wheat or soy)

All of these diets are balanced for daily use as a sole diet.

**Diabetic cat caregivers: These diets have not been checked for their carbohydrate content. Check Janet and Binky's list and if you don't see these foods there, see this section above for guidelines on carbohydrate calculations.

PetGuard: (www.petguard.com) Some contain wheat germ. Read the labels. carefully.

Felidae: (www.canidae.com)

Innova: (www.naturapet.com)

Pinnacle, APD, Avoderm: (www.breeders-choice.com)

Precise: (www.precisepet.com)

Natural Balance: (www.naturalbalanceinc.com) This company has not been forthcoming with their nutritional values for their canned food other than to say that, in general, they derive 19% of their calories from carbohydrates which is much too high. For this reason, I was going to remove them from this list but there is one variety that appears to be lower in carbs. A member of the Feline Diabetes Message boards reports that the Natural Balance Chicken and Liver Pate does not contain rice flour and so it should be lower than the 19% carb calories that NB reports for its canned foods.

Eagle Pack: (www.eaglepack.com)

Evolve: (www.evolvepet.com)

Newman's Own: (www.newmansownorganics.com)

Merrick: (www.merrickpetcare.com) This company makes some varieties of canned products without grains but several of them do contain grains. Read the labels carefully.

Trader Joe's: (www.traderjoes.com)

Natural Life: (http://www.nlpp.com/felineadult.html)


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I copy and pasted that page but there are a lot of links on the side so if you need one of those let me know.

Oh, and his name is MeeMee. Was Princess MeeMee until I realized he is a boy. :-D