If Jesus were the God of Israel, then why would he say that the Father was greater than he?

Question

John 14:28 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."

If the trinity doctrine were true, and if Jesus was the God of Israel, being a monotheistic God; thus, meaning there is only one God, why then is there a second throne on the right of another throne? Furthermore, if Jesus is this monotheistic God, why does he not then take or just sit on his own throne, versus him getting invited to sit on a second throne that is next to the Person that is letting him sit there?
Here is the verse, "Yehowah (the LORD) said to my lord (adonai), "Sit at My right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet (Psalm 110)."
Furthermore, when reading this we can mention a third thing, "If Jesus were the God of Israel, why does Someone else have to subdue his enemies vs. he himself?"

Answer 1

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Dear HaShem's Servant,

What an appropriate name, for you are representing Him correctly, for I have seen your other postings as well.

Most people do not realize that Yehoshua [that is Jesus for those of you that are do not know his Hebrew name, even] was a Jew or an Israeli, and that his disciples were also Jews and Israelis. Likewise, the faith and religion that all of them practiced was the faith of their ancestors, that is Judaism!!! Yehoshua and the 12 main disciples, (and even Paul before he converted away from Judaism to invent a non-authorized religion - mainly a faith very close to the vile baptist and protestant faiths of modern times, and the likes of so-called "non-denominational" faiths such as "Calvary Chapel" that originated in California [practically identical to Baptists]) practiced the faith of the God of Israel, as I said above, that is Judaism!


Judaism has NEVER taught, since the days of Adam, that the future moshiach [the christ or 'anointed one' for those of you that are unlearned in the ways of Jesus' religion] is 'God' or the God of Israel. "Why is that?" you might ask. Well, from the days of Adam the holy Torah from HaShem says, "So Yehowah Elohim said to the serpent.... "I [the God of Israel] will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel."

Notice that it says, "he will crush," not "I will crush?" Likewise, it says, "you will strike his heel," not "...my heel." Thus, showing the moshiach is not divine, nor the God of Israel. This is in Bereshit (Genesis) 3:14-15.



Again, what else does the Torah teach [or the holy Torah of HaShem]? Let's look:

It says:

"Yehowah said to me [Moshe/Moses]: "What they say is good. I will raise up for them a prophet like you [Moshe] from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account. But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death."

Notice that it does not say "I, Yehowah will be among them." Also, it says that Yehowah will put His words in someone else's mouth, meaning that the "someone else" is not Yehowah!!! This whole passage teaches that Yehowah is not this "prophet." This passage is found in Devarim (Deuteronomy) 18:17-20.

What about the Tanakh [the Jewish Bible - falsely called the "OLD" Testament]? What does it say concerning the moshiach [messiah/christ] of Y'israel [Israel}? Let me use the common passages that pagans and those that do not know the scriptures and do greatly err use.

Let us start off with the holy and righteous prophet named Micah: In chapter 5 there is a well known messianic passage, this passage will introduce a doctrine in which so-called "followers of Jesus" miss, as well as Muslims. Even though I say "introduce" it is already known in Genesis and in many other books long before coming to Micah's book. Nonetheless, when talking to non-Jews and to even many Jews, I like using this particular passage first many times. Let's read:

"But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
though you are small among the clans of Judah,
out of you will come for Me [Yehowah]
one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins are from of old,
during the age of eternity [literally: before the counting of time]."



First of all, who is talking to Micah? Well, in this very passage we can see that it is Yehowah who is talking to Micah, but if one is still not sure you can read Chapter 1 v. 1, for it says, "The word of Yehowah that came to Micah of Moresheth during the reigns of Jotham, Ahaz and Hezekiah, kings of Judah."



Notice that in the selected passage it says, "come for Me," not "I will come." Again, notice that it says "whose origins," not "My origins."


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Answer 2

See where He said, "greater than I" If He had said I am. that would have cinched it? He also said he and the Father are one and that we and he are one, so it looks like we are all one. He also said that we are all gods, so I think that's pretty clear or rather to whom the word of God came. In these last days He said He would pour out His spirit upon all sorts of flesh so that almost sounds like all of us. And too, when accused of calling himself God, Jesus said that he called himself the son of God, which he did many times. So I guess the only answer I can see is that while he was with us he was not God or that he always was and always will be the son of God. Since God is unchangeabel I guess that must be it. Angels said they were God, but I think they were just quoting the message they were sent with. The concsious mind can't hold all the scriptures, but he subconscious has no problem keeping everything in context. You noitce the word always came in vision, dreams and through the spirit? That's the only way to understand it. I guess the closest we have to hearing the spirit is through intuition. I also guess that's why people with well developed intuitions say the intuition is always right.

Answer 3

The Holy Trinity says that God is made up of Jesus,Yehowah, and the Holy Spirit. They can act as one AND they can act separately. In the hierarchy of the Holy Trinity Yehowah is the greatest of the three. Both Jesus and the Holy Spirit came from Yehowah. They are a part of the God head and the powers of Yehowah works through them.

There are many instances in the bible where God refers to himself as Us (Gen 1:26) and I ( Exodus 3:6). Their is a hierarchy in the Holy Trinity with Yehowah as the head then Jesus, then the Holy Spirit. You need to take in all of the scriptures and not pieces here and there. When you are able to take in all the scriptures at one time, I think you will see a clearer picture of what the Holy Trinity is and how it works.

Answer 4

The answer to your question will have everything to do with what was meant by the word "greater." Jesus did take on the constraints of human flesh and willingly accepted a role of subservience to God the father, so in that respect, God the father would have been "greater", but the Bible makes a very strong case for God being a trinity in which the father is God, the spirit is God, and the son is God but the father is not the son, the son is not the spirit, and the spirit is not the father.

Answer 5

I am one who believes in the Trinity. Jesus is the Son of God and was completely obedient unto his Father. Therefore God the Father granted all his power to him. The someone else that are subduing his enemies is the Angels of God led by the Archangel Michael who worships Jesus himself and now takes his orders from him(Jesus).

Even in fictitious heroes that man makes up the son of something is always more powerful than the original. But all the Comic book heroes coming out of someones imagination... none of them ever tops what Jesus Christ has done

Answer 6

‘Christ according to the faith, is the second person in the Trinity, the Father being the first and the holy Ghost the third. Each of these three persons is God. Christ is his own father and his own son. The Holy Ghost is neither father nor son, but both. The son was begotten by the father, but existed before he was begotten--just the same before as after. Christ is just as old as his father, and the father is just as young as his son. The Holy Ghost proceeded form the Father and Son, but was an equal to the Father and Son before he proceeded, that is to say before he existed, but he is of the same age as the other two. Nothing ever was, nothing ever can be more perfectly idiotic and absurd than the dogma of the Trinity.’

- Col. Robert G. Ingersoll



God is not the author of confusion (I Cor. 14:33)


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Answer 7

C'mon, are you serious? Why don't you ask something hard?

Read into Philippians about Jesus..."Who, being by His very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped..."

There you have it...He is God, but in being incarnated as a man, had enough humility to consider equality with God out of His reach. This was his attitude, when He was a man, about God. Funny how so many lesser people think that they are God, isn't it?

Answer 8

Jesus was and is a god .so are we .The father in heaven is the creator of all. he only sent Jesus as a fuller and enlightened God to set us gods back on the right track,after we stumbled into darkness by believing we must worship him on hands and knees after we seperated ourselves from him. we can only worship God in truth.the truth is we must love one another.because if we can do that then the law will fall away.the law is only put in place because of our selfishness

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Answer 9

Because Jesus gave all power and authority to God the Father. He got all power and authority from the Father after the resurrection. He will give it back to the Father again.

This is made evident in Daniel 7, with the interaction between
" The Most High God" (Jesus) and "The Ancient of Days" (the Father) .

Answer 10

John 17. God is greater.