Texas Holdem Quiz #2... What to do?

Question

Game type: $400 NL Its 6 handed. Ur utg+1, Player b is utg +2 and player c is utg+3.
Your image: You sat down a couple of minutes ago
Your hand: 5♥5♠

Preflop: Player A limps, you limp with your 55, Player C limps and Player D makes it 10 to go. Player A folds, you and Player C both call. Flop gives you middle set:

K♦5♣3♦

Flop: You decide to lead out for $35 and both players call. Turn is J♥.

Turn: You lead for $120 now and again both players call. River brings the 4♦.

What’s your play here? If you check how will you respond to a bet?

bigslick13 a c/r only extracts one bet. A open bet might get more bets on the turn. The last thing though was that if i really had a queen i wouldnt want to appear fishy i would want it to look look like i was bluffing.

Judas hero, i think the problem about betting is that yes you might get value from a hand like Kj, and maybe maybe AK, but most of the time it will be things that beat you that call and usually reraise which will be much more costly. Let me show you why. The pot is currently 430. If you bet out 215 of the pot a normal reraise will be at least 660 and most likely an allin because of the strength you have shown during the hand. However if you just check he will bet around the pot (at worst), not 660. You can also induce a bluff from a hand like 46o . And what hand would call you all the way down and then fold to a river bet? One of the most important things you have to ask yourself is.. if i bet will better hands fold and worse hands call? The first one is a no, and the second one is rarely.

O yea btw to all you guys... sorry about the improbability that someone is going to actually call you on the turn with a draw. Forgot to proofread. Hope this was a little bit enjoyable. Anyways i;ll make the next one a little harder.

Ima let this one be voted out. Almost everyone said the same stuff...

Answer 1

No controversial answer from me this time. Ditto ZCT.

Check and call.

I would, however, actually call a large bet here depending on feel. Some players might see the scare card coupled with your check as a major sense of weakness and overbet what they feel is necessary to get you off a suspected two pair or set. Plus you send the message you're not one to be pushed around which you can and should subsequently use to your advantage.

For someone to have paid $120 for a one in five flush chance is just not too likely. Yes, there's usually one at the table that makes calls this bad (Thank God!), but someone putting out a big bluff and the other having top pair in this scenario is probably more likely.

Basically you're looking at a $500 pot before the possible bluff of, let's say, $250. That makes $750-$1000 up for grabs. Ask yourself, is there a one in 3 or 4 chance he's bluffing? The answer's probably "Yes."

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BTW, on my AA vs. QQ7 flop question, you made some comment about a check-raise looking "fishy." That, in far fewer words, is EXACTLY what I was getting at! If you make what looks like a tricky play, you opponent is more likely to believe you have a queen giving you the pot right there. (Most players at the level would lead with their aces, but over-slowplay or check-raise with a queen. So by playing the way you'd play, or better-yet, THE WAY YOUR OPPONENT THINKS YOU'D PLAY, with a queen, you're most likely to convince him you actually have one.) Plays like this only work against thinking opponents, but will extract more money with less risk, and really separate the pros from the otherwise solid players in the type of game you described.

Answer 2

I really don't like how that hand was played.
But I don't have many option here, I'm the first to act, so a check here sound pretty good and cautious, and the idea that 2 players follow me to the river, doesn't make me feel confident with my set. Because nobody show strength pre-flop he would be hard for me to represent the higher flush, even if because of the limping, the player who hold the flush doesn't have a strong flush. But still, there is a good chance that one them hold the nuts. There is no way I can make him fold that hand. Let's check and see what kind of bet I'm facing on the river, with a good pot odds, I might call, but I might considering also folding, the amount of the bet is going to be a big factor here.

Answer 3

I bet 220 if both of them have under $600. If they have over $1000 I check. Odds are if they have over $1000 they wouldn't be going all-in when hitting the river, and they'd be more likely to put out a value bet of around 250. If they both have under $600, bet $220 and if they come over the top you fold. It's better than to check and have them go all-in and you make the decision of calling the $500-700. I say this because checking on river is a sign of weakness when betting flop and turn, especially when the last card gives the board 3 suited cards and both opponents now have a solid chance to make a value bluff all-in. Also, it is best to bet out, because if you get reraised and you fold, they will think you are bluffing, which will set up later hands. Also, if you just check on river, it will effect their implied odds in the future and will believe their is better chance of seeing an extra free card here and there. It's just bad for your reputation. It's only 3 handed and the possibility of either of them hitting a flush preflop at best is 9-10 percent if both of them hold suited cards. Stay in control of the table because it will effect your play later if your opponents feel you are liable to check when the board looks scary. Always stay aggressive with your good hands.

Answer 4

Gotta check, and if I have to pay off a value bet, I'll pay it.

I may have the best hand here, but there are a number of hands that could beat me that match the play so far pretty well.

C could be holding something like A5d (or even A4d or A2d) or Qd10d, which matches both his calls.

D could have something like an AdJd or a KK or JJ, which also matches his calls.

Bottom line, I won't know how to respond to a reraise, so why invite one? Check, if there's a small value bet, call it, if there's a monster ........ {Hey, I never said ALL the decisions would be easy.}

Answer 5

Poker sucks this is giving me a headache. Bye.

lol just kidding.

Ok since you all limped I can put one of the players on a flush draw, K3, 64, nothing big.

~~~This reminds me of a hand that I had, I flopped a set with 2 diamonds on board. I bet and one of them calls, a diamond on the turn I bet again and caller raises and I become the caller. River doesn't give me what I want and I'm last to act, better goes all-in and .grrrrr. I call. What a stupid call he has a flush ofcourse duh.....slap myself. Why do I make decisions before the players act.~~~

If that person bets big or goes all in whatever I'm folding the pot ain't that big anyways.

Answer 6

I would check the river. One of the may have a pair of diamonds and now has the flush. The other person probably is holding a K. If one of the players comes out with a small bet, I will probably call. If it's a big bet I will fold.

How do you get the graphics (diamonds, hearts, spades, and clubs) to show up in your question?

Answer 7

Get away from 2-4 and even 3-6. Most players at those tables don't know how to play and have too much money to burn (although, that sometimes can be a good thing). I just can't stand when a player calls a raise pre flop with like a K-2 off suit, hits nothing on the flop but calls your bet anyways, hits nothing on the turn but calls your bet anyways, and then maybe hits a K on the river to beat your pocket Qs. Argh! 4-8 is a much better game in my book. Article gets a 6 from me. And my favorite food is macaroni and cheese.

Answer 8

I would lead out here. I realize responding to a re-raise would be difficult, but I find it a little hard to believe (though not impossible) that both of those players would chase a flush for $120. It's precisely because of the chasers that I tend to overbet the pot on the turn, just to make them pay for the chance to view the scare card.
I just have the feeling that if you lead out here, you may take the pot without a showdown. Although, as ZCT said, facing a re-raise would be tough, so I'd make the bet pretty small, say 1/3-1/2 the pot.
I'm still a novice, so if there's a major flaw in my strategy let me know.

Answer 9

I would probably check, and then call a reasonable sized bet. Obviously there is a chance one or both players were chasing a flush and got there. KK is unlikely, 33 is possible, but not that likely. Maybe a KJ out there, or KQ or AK.

My concern with leading out and betting here on the river is how I would respond to a re-raise. It would be hard to call a re-raise in that situation.

Answer 10

Bet 200. It's a small enough bet to be able to get away from it if someone raises and enough of a suspicious value bet that someone may think you're drawing them in with the flush if they don't have it or theirs is a small one. If everyones' been limping after you with a K or J (or both) you've got em anyway. Your only fear here is a reraise and you're not in too deep to get out of it. Don't give up the momentum you've been taking by checking.