communism does not work ??? really?

Question

i asked a question about if communism does not work why is china doing so well
and the overwhelming responce was that china proves that communism does not work beacuse they are becoming more capitalisic than where they where

so i ask by that logic, does that mean that capitalisum does not work either because the government has to regulate some industries like food, drug, energy?

Answer 1

You are making the mistake of looking ONLY to economic measures to gage success. China is not a communism since it has fully adopted a STATE RUN capitalist system.

Capitalistic systems DO NOT - necessarily - regulate themselves. The United States DOES regulate some capitalistic processes because unlike China it is a DEMOCRACY

China does NOT work in terms of FREEDOM for it's people, but Asian cultures are far less individualism minded than western cultures where individual rights and freedoms of individuals are cherished.

China's lack of industrial regulation is already showing drawbacks; the most prevalent being massive pollution of land, air and fresh water supplies.

Try not to merge terms

Answer 2

O.K. first of all some basic Marxist theory:

1. Karl Marx clearly stated that capitalism was the quickest method to mass produce the material things needed to free the proletariat (workers) from their economic chains and to make a step forward to communism.

2. Therefore, all communists leaders and countries temporarily establish capitalistic economic free-zones, like they have in Red China, for the quick mass production of the material things in life.

Once the 'pipple' have all their material needs met then they will naturally progress towards 'communism' and reject capitalism. So capitalism is an allowed and controlled temporary condition in a communist country.

But economically communism is not self-sustaining, it is also based on a false premise - that of the economic determination of human behaviour. Communists/Marxists believe human behaviour is totally controlled by economic forces and that humans have no free will, repeat - no free will at all. Humans do not think, they just react to economic stimulii. That is the fundamental flaw in Marxist theory and communist economics.

Communism is a state-controlled economy where all the prices are set by the state and not by an open market; and all the needs of the 'pipple' are provided for by the state under the Marxist dogma that once the masses are placated they will settle down and be content. But that contradicts human nature with greed, selfishness, ambition, and intelligence seperating some people from others. Communist countries routinely KILL any comrade who does not conform to communist/state demand. So every communist country becomes a violent police state with gulags and genocide to force their citizens to conform to Marxist economic dogma.

Capitalism works. Obviously it works because it is the most successful and existing economic system in the world. But like a steam engine capitalism must be controlled in order for capitalism to be most efficient.

There are different methods of capitalism in the USA according to whoever happens to be in power at the time: democrats or republicans. Under capitalism anybody who is on the ball can become extremely wealthy, or just plain earn a living.

Throughout history in any empire or dynasty from ancient Egypt, or Mesopotamia, or Greece, or Rome, or ancient China, there have always been UNEMPLOYED people, for whatever reason. Mentally ill, crippled, alcoholic, or the criminally minded have always comprised the unemployed in any civilization; and the population of 'unhirable people' has always hovered about 5%, and that includes in any communist, socialist, or capitalistic society.

The U.S. government has to 'regulate' because that is what governments do, they 'regulate' everything. The government regulates capitalism through taxation and inflation because the government does not want a private citizen to become too powerful through wealth alone. The Republican Party (a business party) has the official economic policy that "less government is best government" and tries to keep taxes low. (Bush's first year in office he gave a $600 tax rebate back to Americans, and always tries to lower the Capital Gains Tax).

Answer 3

China isn't doing that well. Sure, its economy is growing, but the average person in China doesn't live very well. The state of China's healthcare is dismal. AIDS is rampant, and the Chinese government doesn't know what to do about it.

Also, having regulation doesn't mean capitalism doesn't work. Capitalism works very well, in fact. Regulations aren't antithetical to capitalism; regulations actually help industries to be more productive and efficient in many cases. Regulation also helps our foreign trade.

Love Jack

Answer 4

of course we have to have government of some sort,anything else would be anarchy,not capitalism. The argument should be about how much and what for.

The opposite of communism is not the absence of government. We have to have government and law but we should exercise control of it and be jealous of that control and wary of governments.

And no matter how much injustice capitalism indirectly causes,communism specifically expounds class hatred,class war and the physical elimination of individuals for reasons of profession or socioeconomic class and has been DIRECTLY responsible for more deaths in the 20th century than anyother ´ism¨(Soviet Union,Cambodia etc etc )

Additional notes.
(Mac1Hull below deserves the best answer points for a thorough and well thought out reply. I gave him a rating and wish I could give him 10!)

Answer 5

The Amount of government regulation on goods and services beyond a level that makes them safe is what slows an economy. Slave labor is cheep but ultimately will produce inferior products.

Answer 6

Pure capitalism and pure communism both seem to have their shortcomings. For so long, the American industries under "laissez-faire" capitalism didn't police themselves because they didn't have to. If, however, the government were to tell the industries "Police yourselves, or we'll do it for you", they might become remarkably diligent. The toys which were covered with leaded paint came from a communist country (these are not known for being consumer-conscious, whereas the U.S. outlawed lead paint in the 1970s).

Answer 7

China is flourishing because capitalism is slowly taking over and communism withering. But communistic controls over soicety such as censorship continue to the control people. But the Chinese have finally begun to break the iron grip and capitalism is thriving. The govt has no oversight of its products since it is a communistic regime, and all of the recalls have resulted.

Answer 8

Well you walked right into this one: Check out this excerpt and then click the link for the whole article if you want.
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"The factory head told me that, according to company rules, no matter whether management is right or wrong, employees are not allowed to contradict them and must obey," Xinhua quoted Ni as saying.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSGOR66448720070906
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I've worked with many imports who try to do things the Chinese way over here. To a man they were ALL vicious little poo-head slave drivers.
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Answer 9

Actually no country has ever followed Communism as Marx proposed. By his writings all it meant was the means of production were to be publically owned and the profits given to the workers. And the society was supposed to be free, not totallitarian.

Answer 10

Yes, really. What part of not working you don't get. Point a country that has a Communist dictator that is flourishing in the world market, and please don't tell me China is one of them. The only reason why China is doing mediocre is because dummy us keep on buying their led toys. Thank God not for long