Trinity, Like Water, Ice and Vapour ?

Question

How can you take this as an explanation, Water, Ice and Vapour are all H2O, but ''Father, Son, and Holy Spirit'' are three different Beings, one a human that needs to eat etc (Jesus), one is a ghost, one is the Creator, God.

What makes you believe in the Trinity, Did Jesus Preach it ?

Answer 1

Jesus did not preach the trinity. There is not one single verse in the Bible where Jesus said God is triune and that he was God the Son, the second person of the trinity.

According to the trinity, God is made up of 3 divine beings, right? Did Jesus preach that? No. In prayer, Jesus called his Father the ONLY true God, thus excluding himself and the holy spirit from also being God. John 17:3

1 Cor. 8:6 harmonizes with John 17:3 about the Father being the only God. It says: "There is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are."

Both Catholic and Protestant research sources admit that the trinity is NOT a Bible teaching. For instance:

The Illustrated Bible Dictionary records: "The word Trinity is not found in the Bible. . . It did not find a place formally in the theology of the church till the 4th century."

The New Catholic Encyclopedia admits that the Trinity "is not. . . directly and immediately the word of God."

The Encyclopedia of Religion And Ethics records: At first the Christian Faith was not Trinitarian. . . It was not so in the apostolic and sub-apostolic ages, as reflected in the New Testament and other early Christian writings."

L. L. Paine, professor of Ecclesiastical History acknowledged: "The Old Testament is strictly monotheistic. God is a single personal being. The idea that a trinity is to be found there . . . is utterly without foundation."

The Encyclopedia of Religion admits: "Theologians today are in agreement that the Hebrew Bible does not contain a doctrine of the Trinity."

The New Catholic Encyclopedia also admits: "The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the Old Testament."

Jesuit Edmund Fortman wrote in his book, The Triune God: ". . . There is no evidence that any sacred writer even suspected the existence of a Trinity within the Godhead. . . Even to see in the Old Testament suggestions or foreshadowings or 'veiled signs' of the trinity of persons, is to go beyond the words and intent of the sacred writers."

The Encyclopedia of Religion says: "Theologians agree that the New Testament also does not contain an explicit doctrine of the Trinity."

The New Encyclopedia Britannica reports: "Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament."

The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology confirms: "The New Testament does not contain the developed doctrine of the Trinity."

Jesuit Fortman similarly states: "The New Testament writers. . . give us no formal or formulated doctrine of the Trinity, no explicit teaching that in one God there are three co-equal divine persons. . . Nowhere do we find any trinitarian doctrine of three distinct subjects of divine life and activity in the same Godhead."

Yale University professor E. Washburn Hopkins affirms in the Origin and Evolution of Religion: "To Jesus and Paul the doctrine of the trinity was apparently unknown; . . .they say nothing about it."

Historian Arthur Weigall records in The Paganism in Our Christianity: "Jesus Christ never mentioned such a phenomenon, and nowhere in the New Testament does the word 'Trinity' appear. The idea was only adopted by the Church three hundred years after the death of our Lord."

The trinity is not a Bible teaching.

Answer 2

The members of the Trinity are three distinct and divine persons who constitute the one supreme being, who is God.

Do the math:

1 X 1 X 1 = 1

Answer 3

PONO7- interesting- i personally have no opinion of the trinity, but never thought about the baptism thing- would be interested to see if anyone can answer your challenge. So far it just looks like eveyone is thumbing you down- probably because it's a valid argument! i'll give you a thumbs up! Just cause you prove a point!

Answer 4

The Trinity is a pagan concept adopted by mainstream christianity. It actually has Hindu origins.The term Godhead is used and is defined in scripture as by the greek word Theios, however, when termed by Hebrew language simply means "divine nature".

Acts 17:29
Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

The Son and The Father are One exhalting one another and share the Holy Spirit, the same name, the same substance. Just a human fathers son would be human, so a self existant Gods son would also be self existant and God. What many christians do not get is that Jesus appeared to many of the Old Testament people of God. There is no distinguishing the Father and the Son exept to say that God is the Father and God is the Son and God is the Holy Spirit that makes them One. As well, this little clue presents itself which gets missed often...no man has seen the Father except the Son

John 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

John 6:46
Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.



.so who was it in the Garden, on Mt Sinai, in the desert struggling with Jacob? The earth was made through Him, by Him and for Him and not anything was made without Him. It is through Him that we live move have our being. When we pray we pray to the Father in His Name which is the Name (not names) of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Jesus was His earthly name...Ya'shua. The title Christ speaks to His divinity (Messiah - The Anointed One - the Holy Spirit) but Jehovah (Yod Hey Vav Hey or Ya'hovah) which means I Am that I Am is the NAME of God. We, being believers, will confess that name and call Him Jehovah....Jesus Christ is Lord just doesn't say it all. Ya'shua Messiah is God, the Great I Am, Jehovah. He was the Word and the Word was God made Flesh and then The Word is now in our Hands and in us as we read it...Ummm...I think I'm getting ahead of myself so yeah...The Trinity is a man-pagan doctrine used to separate and compartmentalize a Holy Being that we can't understand in total so we simplify and minimalize our concept to better fit our understanding rather than look to Him to elevate our understanding and increase our faith. I've ready study guides that ask questions such as "What do you think is the role that the Holy Spirit plays in Salvation...?" and then the Father? The Son? Ya'shua means I Am Salvation...there is no "role playing". How weak could your faith be if you understood your God to be The God Who Saves? I mean really...why do we water that message down? Love in Christ, ~J~

God is one God and the scriptures never speak otherwise..

Malachi 2:10
Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?

Mark 12:32
And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

Romans 3:30
Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Answer 5

jesus is the ice, using fact like ice he's extra actual then he different kind. God is the water.Water is sparkling yet we are able to nevertheless make it out.Like we can not see god yet we experience him. Holy spirit is the vapour.that's somewhat stressful to 'see' and it works at the back of the scenes extra beneficial than we relise.while jesus substitute into baptised a dove appeared, the dove substitute into interior the historic past it wasnt the centre component,showing that the holy spirit is there working the place we don't continually be conscious it.

Answer 6

you can't- water, ice and vapor are the same substance- but cannot be water, ice and vapor all at the same time, which is what the trinity teaches. it's impossible.i don't believe in it- and jesus' baptism among other many instances in the bible prove it false. When jesus' was baptized He was physically on earth, while the holy spirit physically flew over in the form of dove and Heavenly Father said from the heavens "this is my SON in who I am well pleased" three seperate physical accounts ALL at the SAME time. The only other explanation is the Jesus got baptized, than temporarily left His body while hundreds of people watched as He flew over Himself and then threw His voice from the Heavens like a vantriliquist. Which isn't even a plausible explanation, because the bible says it all happened simutaneously. So trinity believers please answer that one- not trying to say anyone is wrong who believes in it- but to this day have not had an answer to that one- and would be interested in anyone who could shed some light.

Answer 7

First off a reply for Pono7. That narrative quote is completely incorrect, that is not what that verse says historically. Rather this is what it actually says which is proven by much evidence and material of primitive Christianity, "And lo a voice heard from heaven, "Thou art my son, TODAY have I begotten thee." Not "in whom I am well pleased." The first signifies him as first fruits of what we are all to accomplish and it was changed in order to support the trinity doctrine to make Jesus/Yeshua God. In every early Christian writing before the 4th century, it reads as "Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee.' This is proven in Hebrews 1:5, Ps 2:8... but yet it remains unchanged in the actual verse, because they know what it is showing.


B, Your example of Water, ice, and vapor is more relative towards an octave directed in 3 sub-parts, which are distinct and different, yet is an pattern that can be observed in every aspect of reality. There is so much to be explained through that analogy about life and the laws, but I digress and will focus on the subject manner at hand. First off, the whole concept of a trinity represents the unity of a duality in a neutralizing force. Your example of the substances you used as an example can apply in the sense of being a triad, but its analogy has more relevance with with the change of substance one to another, but these aren't one in the way you are attempting to portray them because they don't exist all within one space/time - they exist as stages, a process of heat applied towards temperature or the decreasing of temperature in order to chance the substance in totality from Ice/solid, to water/liquid, to steam/vapor. But the trinity doctrine is spoken as something that exist all at one time, in one space. But the pattern of the trinity as was created in 325 A.D. at the council at Nicea makes no sense what so ever because it is imbalanced.

The whole concept surrounds around males without the female aspect. The divine pattern is male/female/child, much like a triangle which at its base line which is 180 degrees, each point moves into its opposite direction, this is only solved when the two points are triangulated or moved at a 40 degree angle at one another and their points meet together. What I am getting at is male is an active force, female is an reflective force, and the neutralizing aspect would be the union product, the third force.

So God would more so be forces, of active, reflective, and neutralizing - or Father, mother, and son, which in our holographic pattern of our being is, spiritual, physical, and mental. In reality the whole concept of a son of God refers to the Word, which refers to the Logos which refers to the mind of God. And what you can see from the son being the neutralizing factor, it would be the mind of God. Yeshua/Jesus isn't the mind of God, but rather an parcel within it, but the truth is our souls are parcels of the Logos as well.

Answer 8

If you believe in the "Holy Trinity" That is a very good way to explain it!

In Christianity, the doctrine of the Trinity states that God is one being who exists, simultaneously and eternally, as a mutual indwelling of three persons: the Father, the Son (incarnate as Jesus of Nazareth), and the Holy Spirit. Since the 4th century, in both Eastern and Western Christianity, this doctrine has been stated as "three persons in one God," all three of whom, as distinct and co-eternal persons, are of one indivisible Divine essence, a simple being. Supporting the doctrine of the Trinity is known as Trinitarianism. The majority of Christians are Trinitarian, and regard belief in the Trinity as a test of orthodoxy. Opposing, nontrinitarian positions that are held by some groups include Binitarianism (two deities/persons/aspects), Unitarianism (one deity/person/aspect), the Godhead (Latter Day Saints) (three separate beings) and Modalism (Oneness).

In addition to teaching that God comprises three persons, the doctrine also teaches that the Son Himself has two distinct natures, one fully divine and the other fully human.

Neither the Old Testament nor New Testament uses the term "Trinity," though Trinitarians believe the concept is implicit in various biblical passages (see Scripture section below). The doctrine of the Trinity is the result of continuous exploration by the church of the biblical data, argued in debate and treatises.[1] It was expressed in early writings from the beginning of the second century forward.[1] The First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD established a nearly universal Trinitarian dogma and expressly rejected any alternate beliefs, which it considered heresies. The most widely recognized Biblical foundations for the doctrine's formulation are in the Gospel of John

The New Testament also does not use the word "Τριάς" (Trinity), nor explicitly teach it.[7] The Trinity article in Encyclopedia Britannica states: "Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord" (Deuteronomy 6:4)."[8]Encyclopedia of Religion, for example, argues that "God the Father is source of all that is (Pantokrator) and also the father of Jesus Christ. Early liturgical and creedal formulas speak of God as "Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"; praise is to be rendered to God through Christ (see opening greeting in Paul and deutero-Paul). There are other binitarian texts (e.g., Romans 4:24; Romans 8:11; 2 Corinthians 4:14; Colossians 2:12; 1 Timothy 2:5–6; 1 Timothy 6:13;2 Timothy 4:1), and a few triadic texts (the strongest are 2 Corinthians 13:14 and Matthew 28:19 )."[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity

Answer 9

Yes, Jesus did teach it.

In the Beginning was the Word, The Word Was with God and the word was God. The Word Became Flesh and made his dwelling among us.

Jesus said I must go to the Father so that I can send you the Holy Spirit who will teach you and guide you in all things.

If you have seen me you have seen the Father. The Father and I are One.

These are paraphrased. There are many more instances.

Yes, I Believe it.
God Bless You, ;-)

Answer 10

Every mystic that developed independent of Jesus came to the conclusion that all is one.

Even the words of Jesus himself would seem to confirm this simple observation.

Two thousand years of misconception isn't overcome easily because people don't listen to anything unless they choose to.
We choose to be held hostage to a notion that benefited a man that never knew Jesus nor Christ nor the Father or he wouldn't have messed it all up so profoundly.

"You can swim all day in the Sea of Knowledge and still come out completely dry. Most people do." ~Norman Juster