When the Roman church says there is no salvation outside the Catholic church, don't they mean Roman church?

Question

I think they do. In fact, I know it!

Benny said it all a few months ago. Catholic = Rome. It isn't universial at all, it is simply Roman Chauvinism. Sounds like Benny is trying to bring back Latin Mass as well...

I exhort Father K and Everyday to give me an honest answer!

Answer 1

They can't give you an honest answer. That would reveal catholicism as a cult.

Answer 2

*Is Catholic*

No that is not true. The Roman Catholic Church is rather the western Church. There are several Eastern Catholic Churches that also are part of the Catholic Church.

http://www.scborromeo.org/images/fig6.gif

A Particular Church, is where a Bishop, properly ordained, offers a true Sacrifice of the Altar. Particular Churches are organized under a patriarch or metropolitan bishop who governs the bishops in union with him according to a particular Rite, which is a liturgical form. The Patriarchal Churches are then organized under the Universal Bishop, who is the Bishop of Rome, who exercises the Petrine Office, who is also the patriarch of the Roman Catholic Church.

Union with the Petrine Office/ Keys of Peter / Chair of Peter / Bishop of Rome / Pope is what constitutes membership in the Catholic Church.

Thus it can be said, and has been said, dogmatically that there is also no salvation outside if one is not in union with the Pope, because not being in union constitutes being outside of the Church which constitutes being in a place that does not, by itself, lead to salvation.

ALSO you are mistaken on what Catholics mean by UNIVERSAL. What is meant is that it is the only path which leads to salvation. Being the only way, it is thus universal -- all persons in all places in all times must in one way or another find themselves on a path that leads to the Church.

Those that die before Christ or ignorant of Christ and his Church can find the path that leads to the Church Suffering, but now here on earth the path to the Church Militant is known and proclaimed openly so thus the path to the Church Suffering becomes narrower due to this age of the Church Militant, that is to say that the rejection of the path to the Church Militant is also a rejection of the path to the Church Suffering because there is one Church and one path which all must take.

Answer 3

You don't want an honest answer. You only want to have your prejudices confirmed.

Here is an honest answer; when the catholic church says there is no salvation outside the church, it means that nobody could reach salvation except through the work of Jesus continued in our time through the church. It does not mean that you are going to hell if you are not catholic.

Oh, and catholic means catholic - not Roman. The faith is universal. It is taught the same throughout the world. The Roman rite is only one of several rites in the church, but they all teach the same faith. Therefore, it is universal (the same throughout the world).

Answer 4

+ Non-Catholic Christian Churches +

Here is the full text of the new document that states nothing new: http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20070629_responsa-quaestiones_en.html

Most Christian denominations believe that each of them is the fullest version of the Church of Christ.

While the Catholic Church also believes that she is "the highest exemplar" of the mystery that is the Church of Christ, she does not claim that non-Catholic Churches are not truly Christian. The Catholic Church teaches:

Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements.

Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church.

All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him.

http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect2chpt3art9p3.htm#819

+ "Roman" Catholics +

The Catholic Church has consistently referred to itself as the “Catholic Church” at least since 107 C.E., when the term appears in the writings of St. Ignatius of Antioch

The term "Roman" Catholic is rather recent.

The new Anglican Church in England started using the term “Roman” in the 1500s as one of many ways of demeaning and demonizing Catholics.

Catholics accepted this late coming adjective without too much protest. Today “Catholic” and “Roman Catholic” are interchangeable terms. Both terms are even used in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

To add a little more confusion, some apply the term “Roman Catholic Church” only to the Latin Rite Catholic Church, excluding the Eastern Rite Catholic Churches that are in full communion with the Pope, and are part of the same Church, under the Pope.

Eastern Rite Catholic Churches include:

Alexandrian liturgical tradition
+ Coptic Catholic Church
+ Ethiopic Catholic Church

Antiochian (Antiochene or West-Syrian) liturgical tradition
+ Maronite Church
+ Syrian Catholic Church
+ Syro-Malankara Catholic Church

Armenian liturgical tradition:
+ Armenian Catholic Church

Chaldean or East Syrian liturgical tradition:
+ Chaldean Catholic Church
+ Syro-Malabar Church

Byzantine (Constantinopolitan) liturgical tradition:
+ Albanian Byzantine Catholic Church
+ Belarusian Greek Catholic Church
+ Bulgarian Greek Catholic Church
+ Byzantine Church of the Eparchy of Križevci
+ Greek Byzantine Catholic Church
+ Hungarian Greek Catholic Church
+ Italo-Albanian Catholic Church
+ Macedonian Greek Catholic Church
+ Melkite Greek Catholic Church
+ Romanian Church
+ Russian Byzantine Catholic Church
+ Ruthenian Catholic Church
+ Slovak Greek Catholic Church
+ Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church

The term “Roman” neither increases nor decreases the faith, hope and love of the Catholic Church.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13121a.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic

+ With love in Christ.

Answer 5

This does not apply to individuals. The various CHURCHES that offer their own thing do not and cannot offer Salvation. There is only one source of salvation....the Holy Roman Catholic Church. It alone was established by Jesus and handed on to the apostles. All other churches can only trace their foundation to 1517 -- or later.

Answer 6

Father K and Everyday Catholic have both answered this old predjudicial crap over and over. As another poster said, you are not the least bit interested in what the pope actually said, but only what your fundie preacher TOLD you he said. Which was a lie that you swallowed, hook, line and sinker, obviously.

Leran to do your own research.

Answer 7

Fundie, I always give you honest answers, yet you do not want to listen. Youare so full of prejudice and hatred and pride over your missionary work that you will not listen.

You, and others are very quick to believe the lies and slander of the press as well. At least my secretery was honest enough to admit this when I showed her the actual article. let me quote from it:

"It is possible, according to Catholic doctrine, to affirm correctly that the Church of Christ is present and operative in the churches and ecclesial Communities not yet fully in communion with the Catholic Church, on account of the elements of sanctification and truth that are present in them."

“It follows that these separated churches and Communities, though we believe they suffer from defects, are deprived neither of significance nor importance in the mystery of salvation. In fact the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as instruments of salvation, whose value derives from that fullness of grace and of truth which has been entrusted to the Catholic Church”[

The article can be found at http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20070629_responsa-quaestiones_en.html

So, why did you change your screen name?

Answer 8

This is so old!

The Pope did NOT say that there is no salvation outside of the Church.
Neither does the Church teach this.

Thanks for playing, though.

Answer 9

The only way to salvation is to read the king James version of the bible,and get away from that Luciferian cult of Rome.