Why does the Roman Church deny the true definition of the word Catholic as found in the Athanasian Creed?

Question

Is this just another case of Roman chauvinism?

You both know very well the Roman church views Catholics as ONLY Roman...

Thank you William D. I don't see why Father K is being so deceptive and defending his Roman cousins.

Sir William, no, Romans don't read the Bible. My dad was reared in the Roman faith and he bought a Roman Bible one time and his parents freaked out on him.

God be praised he left that church and reared me up according to the holy Bible.

It is a very "hands off" faith...

Answer 1

Catholics are not saved Christians, that's why.

And yes, you'll find this "Father K" to use deceiving words, but that's what the entire catholic cult does. They are a Babylonian pagan cult with a few out of context Christian concepts mixed in to deceive.

Answer 2

This is incorrect, the Roman Church does acknowledge other Orthodox as Catholic.

Also, you are way off about the Bible, We, The Catholic church(Universal Catholic Church) brought you the Bible, it was written down and preserved by the Church. Catholics, read at least(bare minimum) 3 chunks of Scripture every day. And many of us read a lot more, I, personally have many sections memorized.

All of our major prayers are either verbatum from the Bible, or based on Biblical revelation.

Answer 3

+ Catholic +

The Church has referred to itself as the “Catholic Church” at least since 107 C.E. (about 10 years after the last book of the New Testament was written), when the Greek term "Katholikos" (meaning universal) appears in the Letter of St. Ignatius of Antioch to the Smyrnaeans:

"Wherever the bishop appear, there let the multitude be; even as wherever Christ Jesus is, there is the Catholic Church."

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/ignatius-smyrnaeans-hoole.html

We do not know how long they had been using the term "Catholic" before it was included in this letter.

All of this was long before the Council of Nicea and the Nicene Creed from 325 C.E. which states, "We believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church."

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07644a.htm

+ Roman Catholic +

The term "Roman" Catholic is rather recent.

The new Anglican Church in England started using the term “Roman” in the 1500s as one of many ways of demeaning and demonizing Catholics.

Catholics accepted this late coming adjective without too much protest. Today “Catholic” and “Roman Catholic” are interchangeable terms. Both terms are even used in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

To add a little more confusion, some apply the term “Roman Catholic Church” only to the Latin Rite Catholic Church, excluding the Eastern Rite Catholic Churches that are in full communion with the Pope, and are part of the same Church, under the Pope.

Eastern Rite Catholic Churches include:

Alexandrian liturgical tradition
+ Coptic Catholic Church
+ Ethiopic Catholic Church

Antiochian (Antiochene or West-Syrian) liturgical tradition
+ Maronite Church
+ Syrian Catholic Church
+ Syro-Malankara Catholic Church

Armenian liturgical tradition:
+ Armenian Catholic Church

Chaldean or East Syrian liturgical tradition:
+ Chaldean Catholic Church
+ Syro-Malabar Church

Byzantine (Constantinopolitan) liturgical tradition:
+ Albanian Byzantine Catholic Church
+ Belarusian Greek Catholic Church
+ Bulgarian Greek Catholic Church
+ Byzantine Church of the Eparchy of Križevci
+ Greek Byzantine Catholic Church
+ Hungarian Greek Catholic Church
+ Italo-Albanian Catholic Church
+ Macedonian Greek Catholic Church
+ Melkite Greek Catholic Church
+ Romanian Church
+ Russian Byzantine Catholic Church
+ Ruthenian Catholic Church
+ Slovak Greek Catholic Church
+ Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church

The term “Roman” neither increases nor decreases the faith, hope and love of the Catholic Church.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13121a.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic

With love in Christ.

+ With love in Christ.

Answer 4

From the catechism of the Catholic Church:

The word "catholic" means "universal," in the sense of "according to the totality" or "in keeping with the whole." The Church is catholic in a double sense:

First, the Church is catholic because Christ is present in her. "Where there is Christ Jesus, there is the Catholic Church." In her subsists the fullness of Christ's body united with its head; this implies that she receives from him "the fullness of the means of salvation" which he has willed: correct and complete confession of faith, full sacramental life, and ordained ministry in apostolic succession. The Church was, in this fundamental sense, catholic on the day of Pentecost309 and will always be so until the day of the Parousia.

831 Secondly, the Church is catholic because she has been sent out by Christ on a mission to the whole of the human race:

All men are called to belong to the new People of God. This People, therefore, while remaining one and only one, is to be spread throughout the whole world and to all ages in order that the design of God's will may be fulfilled: he made human nature one in the beginning and has decreed that all his children who were scattered should be finally gathered together as one. . . . The character of universality which adorns the People of God is a gift from the Lord himself whereby the Catholic Church ceaselessly and efficaciously seeks for the return of all humanity and all its goods, under Christ the Head in the unity of his Spirit.

Answer 5

First of all Jesus never called Peter the Rock.....You don't know true scripture. Secondly the Catholic church doesn't even uphold the scriptures, they themselves uphold man as Priest and ability to forgive sin and make atonement when there was and is Only ONE Priest and ONE who has the ability to forgive sin and make that Atonement and that was Christ.And the Bible the real one Warns one not to do what the catholics are doing !!! Thirdly , i think you are genuine in your idea , but completely deceived by your man made doctrines and have no Truth (Spirit of God) in you !! i could tell you allot more but i don't believe you would like it nor speak about it for long without running away like everyone else i have come across on here, that's Catholic, JW's, Mormon and even those who claim to be Christians like Apostolic, Baptists, Methodists , etc etc etc.... I have come to see no one is willing to talk Bible scripture but they only want to hold to their church doctrines which NONE Of them are of God !!!!

Answer 6

I just love "true definitions," don't you?

We can plump for any definition we like, drape the mantle of "truth" around its slender shoulders and trot it out to support nearly any absurd position.


Here's what Merriam-Webster uses as a definition:

Main Entry: cath·o·lic
Pronunciation: 'kath-lik, 'ka-th&-
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English catholik, from Middle French & Late Latin; Middle French catholique, from Late Latin catholicus, from Greek katholikos universal, general, from katholou in general, from kata by + holos whole -- more at CATA-, SAFE
1 a often capitalized : of, relating to, or forming the church universal b often capitalized : of, relating to, or forming the ancient undivided Christian church or a church claiming historical continuity from it c capitalized : ROMAN CATHOLIC
2 : COMPREHENSIVE, UNIVERSAL; especially : broad in sympathies, tastes, or interests
- ca·thol·i·cal·ly /k&-'thä-li-k(&-)lE/ adverb
- ca·thol·i·cize /-'thä-l&-"sIz/ verb

Answer 7

*Is Catholic*

You mean this...

Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic Faith. Which Faith except everyone do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.

Seams to me to be rather easy...there is only one Faith and you have to keep all of it, you cannot pick and choose.

So I must ask you, why then do you pick and choose to follow the teachings of Christ that you like and not follow the teachings that you do not like?

Answer 8

You obviously know nothing about being Catholic if you call it a very hands off faith.

Everything Father K said is completely correct.


CJ, find Jesus - QUICK!!!!!!!!!!

Answer 9

Uhhhh....they don't as far as I know....

Kath = "according to"

Holos = "the whole"

ONE holy, catholic and apostolic Church....

...and since the Athanasian Creed is subscribed to by Rome, I see no validity in your statement. The Creed of St. Athanasius is a Trinitarian formula that all Catholics follow.

Answer 10

'catholos' means universal, and the word 'catholic' even appears in the creed recited by Episcopalians! They don't say 'apostolic', though.

What definition did YOU have in mind?