If suicides don't go to Heaven but "saved" murder victims do, are we doing Christians a favor by killing them?

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Please note, this is a RHETORICAL HYPOTHETICAL EXERCISE aimed at exploring logical loopholes and contradictions. Please don't use logic here as an excuse to kill anyone.

Thank you.

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Answer 1

Heh heh...nice disclaimer.

I suppose only if the killing was accidental, and carried out in perfect timing to interrupt the attempted suicide. Otherwise, according to Christian doctrine, then you'd be at fault for the death of that person, and in danger of burning in the flames of hell yourself!! Of course, you can always repent afterward, and I guess all would be forgiven. And it would be a win-win situation for everyone, after all!

Good hypothetical exercise -- it reveals the flaws in Dogmatic philosphy.

Answer 2

ROTFL!

A pox on anyone who responds that "true" Christians don't kill. "Saved" means that they have repented and will be accepted into the kingdom of heaven according to the Bible. You cannot just pick & choose which parts of the Bible you like and which you don't. It is true. Repenting sinners will be forgiven. So sayeth the Bibleth.

Ah, but the suicide? Nah. As if life wasn't bad enough he or she gets to suffer eternally in hell. With people like us, who don't believe in gods. I guess life just sucks for the suicide eternally. Nice, God. Real nice.

You have indeed found a logical loophole, which will generate more loopholed logic about why this is "OK" somehow. I shall star it, sit back and watch the fun!

Answer 3

Well let's think about that for a second. To begin with, no one knows the disposition of another person's soul, so you cannot possibly know who is "saved" and who is not, correct?

Secondly, if you do kill someone who is saved, they go to Heaven but now you have the sin and guilt of murder to deal with. There are consequences for every action you do, here on Earth and in the next life.

Third, it is appointed once for a person to die. That means we all have our appointment time in the book, and you cannot be late nor early for your appointment. If I am murdered tomorrow my family can take comfort in the fact that God has called me home to His side. Are you ready to die thusly? I doubt it.

Lastly, in God's economy, the end does not justify the means. You do not "break a few eggs" to make an omelets. God would NEVER ask you to sin in order to fulfill His purpose or plan for your life, and so by committing the act of murder or suicide you are committing a sin. You can never surprise nor disappoint God the Father, but you can stray from His path.

You have "exposed" little here, save for your dislike of Christians. Have a cookie and try again, my dear.

(To Petra - IF your story is true, then it works to show God's glory and mercy. If your cousin and her murderer do meet in Heaven, it will be a cause of celebration. God wishes none to die, and by death that means a spiritual death of eternal damnation. I hope you find the forgiveness in your heart that Jesus is waiting to give you).

Answer 4

In terms of the premise you have established, it would be logical unless, of couse, they aren't 'saved Christians' (whatever they are!), or aren't in a state of grace. Then you've only generated more fodder for Big D down the corridor from Big G.

Answer 5

Hmm interesting... it starts to get really complicated doesn't it?
I mean if the guy who tortures then murders my cousin *finds Jesus* before he dies and she is destined for heaven too will they meet again? "Welcome to heaven, I believe you two have met already"
Seems to me like the authors of the bible over-looked a lot when they were coming up with the rules for the good ole book.

Answer 6

The premise is incorrect and so are the conclusions from this form of thought.

Answer 7

does the tinfoil sometimes chafe your head?