Is God The Father, The Son, and Holy Spirit?

Question

Some critics of the Trinity doctrine claim that since the word "trinity" is not found in the Bible, it isn't true. Furthermore, some assert that if God wanted us to believe in the Trinity He would have stated the doctrine clearly.
First of all, it is illogical to claim that since the word "Trinity" is not found in the Bible that its concept is not taught therein. This kind of objection usually demonstrates a prejudice against the teaching of the Trinity. Instead, the person should look to God's word to see if it is taught or not.
Second, there are many biblical concepts that people believe in that don't have a specific word describing them used in the Bible. For example, the word "bible" is not found in the Bible, but we use it anyway to describe the Bible. Likewise, the words "omniscience," which means "all knowing," "omnipotence," which means "all powerful," and "omnipresence," which means "present everywhere," are words not found in the Bible either, but we use them to describe the attributes of God. We don't have to see a specific word in the Bible in order for the concept it describes to be true.
Following are other words that the Bible does not use but the concepts are mentioned.

Atheism is the teaching that there is no God. "The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God" (Psalm 14:1).

Divinity which means divine quality or godlike character. Yet, we speak of the godlike quality of the Lord God. See Psalm 139.

Incarnation which means the word (God) who became flesh. Yet, this is definitely taught in the Bible (John 1:1,14).

Monotheism is the teaching that there is only one God (Isaiah 43:10; 44:8).

Matt. 28:18, Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
2 Cor. 13:14, The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.
Eph. 4:4-7, There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all. 7But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift.
Jude 20-21, "But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith; praying in the Holy Spirit; 21keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life."

slaveof12gods...please explain your position further.

Answer 1

Those people who criticize the Trinity Doctrine, would criticize any doctrine of the Chruch. They should read the doctrine which contains the scripture basis for the doctrine and why we believe in one God, his most Holy Son and the Holy Ghost being one.
God bless and have a great day.

Answer 2

Many of the words you mentioned are either not doctrine references but description, or 2 implied or a form of the word they are associated with. So sorry your argument doesn't "hold water".

If Jesus wanted us to know of the trinity he would have said so, and it wouldn't have taken a group of men arguing, to come up with the idea well after Christ left.

However Christ left many clues that they are different people. 1. Jesus prayed all the time, was he praying to himself, including on the cross? NO. 2. When Jesus was baptized he was physically in the water, everyone heard a godly voice, and a dove being the holy ghost was also present. 3. "Christ so loved the world he sent his only begotten son", translation- God loved us so much he sent the only son he was the direct father of in the flesh. It does say, 'God so loved the world so he sent himself'.

The concept of the Trinity is so convoluted and confusing that even devote members don't know exactly what it is. Wouldn't you think that a concept as important as this would be much clearer? It is, There is God, one person; Jesus, another person; and the holy ghost to witness of both, a third individual. All same in purpose like one team. Simple, Three individuals, one team.

Answer 3

It is true that the word "trinity" is not found in the Bible. But is the concept of the trinity there? The trinity includes the following definite ideas:

1. There are said to be three divine persons—the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit—in the Godhead.

2. Each of these separate persons is said to be eternal, none coming before or after the other in time.

3. Each is said to be almighty, with none greater or lesser than the other.

4. Each is said to be omniscient, knowing all things.

5. Each is said to be true God.

6. However, it is said that there are not three Gods but only one God.

I invite you to search the Bible, especially the 27 books of the Christian Greek Scriptures, to see for yourself if Jesus and his disciples taught a Trinity. As you search, ask yourself:

1. Can I find any scripture that says that God is made up of three distinct persons, Father, Son, and holy spirit, but that the three are only one God?

2. Can I find any scripture that says that the Father, Son, and holy spirit are equal in all ways, such as in eternity, power, position, and wisdom?

Search as you may, you will not find one scripture that says that Father, Son, and holy spirit are equal in all ways, such as in eternity, power, position, and wisdom. Not even a single scripture says that the Son is equal to the Father in those ways—and if there were such a scripture, it would establish not a Trinity but at most a “duality.” Nowhere does the Bible equate the holy spirit with the Father.

Trinitarians may say that the Bible “implies” a Trinity. But this claim is made long after the Bible was written. It is an attempt to read into the Bible what clergymen of later times arbitrarily decided should be doctrine.

Ask yourself: Why would the Bible only “imply” its most important teaching—who God is? The Bible is clear on other basic teachings; why not on this, the most important one? Would not the Creator of the universe author a book that was clear on his being a Trinity if that were the case?

The reason the Bible does not clearly teach the Trinity doctrine is simple: It is not a Bible teaching. Had God been a Trinity, he would surely have made it clear so that Jesus and his disciples could have taught it to others. And that vital information would have been included in God’s inspired Word. It would not have been left to imperfect men to struggle with centuries later.

Now that it has been established wha the trinity is, let's take a look at your trinity "proofs," shall we?

Matt. 28:18, Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit

2 Cor. 13:14, The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.

Eph. 4:4-7, There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all. 7But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift.

Jude 20-21, "But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith; praying in the Holy Spirit; 21keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life."

Do those verses say that the Father, Christ, and the holy spirit constitute a Trinitarian Godhead, that the three are equal in substance, power, and eternity? No, they do not, no more than listing three people, such as Tom, Dick, and Harry, means that they are three in one.


"Incarnation which means the word (God) who became flesh. Yet, this is definitely taught in the Bible (John 1:1,14)."

John 1:1, 14 says in some Bibles: "...the Word was God. And the Word became flesh." If this is a trinitarian "proof" text, that would mean that ALL THREE persons of the godhead came to earth and became flesh, NOT just the Son. But is that what happened? No. According to John 3:17, God did NOT come to earth. Instead, he sent someone else. And who was that? His Son.

According to the trinity, God is made up of the Father, Son, and holy spirit, correct? Is that what Jesus taught? NO! At John 17:3, he called his Father the ONLY true God. Since that is true, how could the Son and the holy spirit ALSO be the true God? They couldn't.

The trinity doctrine is actually polytheism. Consider: The trinity doctrine teaches that the Father is fully God. The Son is full God. The holy spirit is fully God. That's THREE Gods! How can anyone in his right mind say that THREE fully Gods make one fully God? But what is more important is that the Bible does NOT say that.

Answer 4

Yes, now and eternally on infinite-sized Paradise is I AM

I AM GOD the Universal Father Person

I AM GOD the Eternal Son Person

I AM GOD the Infinite Spirit Person

All Three Deity Persons are Coordinate.

Here is a Trinity symbol: Reflect in Spirit on three concentric blue circles on an infinite white background. The inner circle is God the Father; the middle circle is God the Son; the outer circle is God the Spirit. This three concentric blue circles is also the symbol of the Sovereignty of our Creator Father-Son-Spirit Jesus Christ. (aka Jesus Christ Michael)

If any here desire a great revelation of more of the infinite Trinity Truths of the Government of all Reality that is many hundreds of advanced, supernal Theology, just email me here from my profile. All of this advanced material is now in the public domain and thus may be freely shared.

God does love the smaller-minded humans who can not grasp at all any of the infinite Trinity Truths just the SAME as He loves the more spiritual and brilliant souls and minds who can now grasp a little more of these infinite Trinity Truths. Faith in our loving Father or Jesus or Their One Combined Spirit is all that is necessary for salvation. But Truth-lovers do hunger for much more Comprehensions, and more is now given by ever continuing Epochal Revelation ! Beautiful and stimulating !

"If God were SMALL enough for our present understanding, He would not be LARGE enough for our real eternal needs."

In our One Holy Father-Son-Spirit of ALL Truth (John 16:7-16)

I now add that Melchizedek, a high Son of God, under Christ Who came here later as Jesus Christ Incarnate, did teach Abraham and others at Salem, about 4000 years ago the Truth of the Paradise Trinity. This is found easily in the Old Testament words: "Elohim" is "the Gods", plural, (Trinity) which is found over 2500 times, and "Eloah" (same origin as "Allah") is "God", singular, which is found only 250 times. But, sadly the Jewish priests were too stubborn to ever change from their errors. Later, they did worse by rejecting Jesus as our God and Eternal Savior to us !

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Answer 5

Genesis 1:26 lets US make man in OUR image

Genesis 3:22 behold, the man is hecome as one of US, to know good and evil

Genesis 11:7 Let US go down, and there confound their language...

Psalms 82:1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods

Hmmm...seems like there is more than one god....

http://www.lightplanet.com/response/answers/gods.htm has MANY more scriptural references

Answer 6

"First of all, it is illogical to claim that since the word "Trinity" is not found in the Bible that its concept is not taught therein."

no, but it's clear that since the concept of the trinity is not found in the old testament that it is not taught there. i don't care about the semantics of the word. there is nothing about the IDEA of a trinity. in fact there are warnings NOT to deify people.

you tried to give other examples, but you gave NO examples of the idea of the trinity in the old testament.
until you do, your post is not even a coherent argument, let alone an actual question.

Answer 7

Don't forget about the first chapter of John: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...And the Word became flesh and lived among us."

Answer 8

The trinity dogma leaves mankind out of the God family. That's a contradiction of Christ.

John 10:34
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

John 14:20
At that day ye shall know that I [am] in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

John 14:12
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:

Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Romans 8:19
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

1John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

It takes time of course but:

2 Corinthians 3:18
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, [even] as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Answer 9

God is one but has shown himself in defferent ways I think you need matthew 28
18 Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in [a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

Answer 10

Jehovah's Witnesses are nontrinitarian Christians who believe the bible to teach that Jesus Christ was and is divine and of the same nature as God.

Jehovah's Witnesses teach that no salvation occurs without Christ, that accepting Christ's sacrifice is a requirement for true worship, that every prayer must acknowledge Christ, that Christ is the King of God's Kingdom, that Christ is the head of the Christian congregation, that Christ is immortal and above every creature, even that Christ was the 'master worker' in creating the universe!

Jehovah's Witnesses love and respect and honor Christ. But Jehovah's Witnesses recognize the bible truth that Jesus the Son is distinct from and not equal to God the Father. Almighty Jehovah created Jesus as His firstborn son.

(Colossians 1:15) the firstborn of all creation

(Mark 10:18) Jesus said to him: 'Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.

(Revelation 3:14) the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God

(Philippians 2:5-6) Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God

(John 8:42) Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth

(John 12:49) I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak

(John 14:28) I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am

(1 Corinthians 15:28) But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him

(Matthew 20:23) this sitting down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father

(1 Corinthians 11:3) I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; ...in turn the head of the Christ is God

(John 20:17) I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.

(Deuteronomy 6:4) Jehovah our God is one Jehovah

(1 Corinthians 8:4-6) There is no God but one. For even though there are those who are called "gods," whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many "gods" and many "lords," there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him

Thanks again for an opportunity to share what the bible actually says about the distinct persons of Jesus Christ the Son and Jehovah God the Father!

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