Peace041 – Who could have written down what Jesus said verbatim? Examples: John 14-17.?

Question

There are chapters in the Bible where Jesus almost entirely spoke, such as in chapters 5-7, 10-13, 18-20 and 23-25 in Matthew; chapters 4, 9, 10, 13 and 14 in Mark; chapters 6 and 10-22 in Luke; and chapters 5, 8, 10 and 14-17 in John. Who could have written those things unless he is inspired by the Holy Spirit to write them down? Who could have known what Jesus said in His prayers and what other people may be thinking and saying?

Please compare these chapters with those in Acts where it is more like a narration of events, like a diary.

I tell you that several people and I talk to a spirit, a holy spirit. If you will believe it, He is THE Holy Spirit. If you will believe it further, He is the spirit of Jesus Christ. We cannot see Him but we can hear Him. Our sessions with Him are tape recorded. Did you know that I have to replay the tape several times in order that I accurately transcribe what was said? You may find these in http://www.geocities.com/peacecrusader888/

Do you think it was the authors who did those writings without any inspiration from the Holy Spirit? Do you think the gospel writers had that talent to write?

To chethu – Thank you for your reminder. Did you know that it took me eleven years before I accepted that the spirit we talk to is Jesus? That’s a long time. I do not expect you to believe what I say immediately.

To know that He is Jesus, He gave prophecies. Do you know that He prophesied the advent of the incurable AIDS? The revolt of the elements that we are experiencing now? The start of World War III at Spratly Islands near the Philippines? The birth of three-eyed babies? The birth by human beings of kitten, of live fish? Who can make these prophecies happen? Only the true God. Can you think of anyone?

To Nemesis – In the case of Islam, Muhammad had to recite what angel Jibreel dictated to him so that his followers may write down what was revealed. In the case of Christianity, the authors must have written down the inspiration that they were receiving. Jesus, in Matthew 10:20, Mark 13:11, Luke 12:12; 21:15, said that the Father, the Holy Ghost, or He Himself, would speak through us. In other words, God. So it was God who guided these authors what to write down.

To DuckPhup – How do you think were the different authors of the New Testament able to write down exactly what Jesus said? In Revelation, for example, it mentioned about 200,000,000 cavalry soldiers. Who could have thought such huge number of army during the apostles’ time? Who could have given prophecies that happened eventually?

To smkeller – Is it simple believability that until now, people still do not know when exactly Jesus was born and when He was crucified and died and why the book of Revelation is still a puzzle to them?

Answer 1

You preach it boy.

Answer 2

The gospels are complete fiction. Jesus is complete fiction. There WERE no witnesses... because the events never occurred.

Mithras... Adonis... Horus... Jesus... others. There are common elements in ALL of these stories... virgin birth... wise men led by a star... 12 'companions'... miracles... teaching... final meal... persecution... crucifixion... ressurection after 3-days... ascension into heaven. This is the 'suffering-hero/king-god' archetype... a very common theme in those times.

Salvation cults were a dime-a-dozen in biblical times. The christ-cult was originally a midrashic up-dating of Judaism, attempting to incorporate 'modern' Hellenistic philosophical ideas. That describes the Christianity of Paul/Saul. Paul's early epistles give not even a HINT of the idea that his teachings had anything at all to do with a 'human' christ who had lived on earth in the recent past... his 'christ' operated strictly in 'heavenly' realms.

The idea for a 'human' christ did not arise until around 70AD... the Gospel of Mark. This is where the 'suffering-hero/king-god' archetype came into play... not the history of a man's life... just a series of vignettes in the archetype form, modified to incorporate reference to Hebrew scripture in order to create the illusions of prophecies fulfilled.

The Gospels of Matthew and Luke came much later... some scholars say after the beginning of the 2nd century. Both used Mark as a template, and fleshed it out with 'sayings' of Jesus, from a common source... the 'Q-document'... sayings which were Judaized versions of philosophical tidbits from the Greek 'cynic' and 'stoic' philosophies. This accounts for a lot of the discrepancies in the gospels... Matthew and Luke each invented scenes for Jesus to deliver these 'sayings'... but their scenes were different. Same sayings... different settings. The Gospel of John was written around 150 AD, according to the best estimates... and the gospels were not universally known in the Christian community until around 250 AD.

It is interesting to note that the total 'Jesus-time' accounted for in the bible ads up to no more than 3-weeks.

"There is not a single contemporary historical mention of Jesus, not by Romans or by Jews, not by believers or by unbelievers, not during his entire lifetime. This does not disprove his existence, but it certainly casts great doubt on the historicity of a man who was supposedly widely known to have made a great impact on the world. Someone should have noticed." ~ Dan Barker

"The Gospel story, with its figure of Jesus of Nazareth, cannot be found before the Gospels. In Christian writings earlier than Mark, including almost all of the New Testament epistles, as well as in many writings from the second century, the object of Christian faith is never spoken of as a human man who had recently lived, taught, performed miracles, suffered and died at the hands of human authorities, or rose from a tomb outside Jerusalem. There is no sign in the epistles of Mary or Joseph, Judas or John the Baptist, no birth story, teaching or appointment of apostles by Jesus, no mention of holy places or sites of Jesus’ career, not even the hill of Calvary or the empty tomb. This silence is so pervasive and so perplexing that attempted explanations for it have proven inadequate." ~ Earl Doherty, The Jesus Puzzle

Answer 3

Remember that these people were alive and with Jesus. John was the forerunner. He told people that Jesus was coming. He personally knew Jesus. He was there. His mother and Mary Mother of Christ were cousins I think and were pregnant at the same time. John was born first.

Answer 4

Ah,

to be able

to float on that

warm sea,

of simple

believability

Answer 5

Sounds just like the muslim rationale. They believe that Mohammed couldn't have written the Koran without divine help

Answer 6

ur lord wouldn't speak to u. i am a stanch believer too. trust me on this. it's satan who is pretending to be nice. he will slowly deviate u towards something more sinister. do consider this. i wouldn't force u in anyway. satan is wily and he works this way. initially he alludes u to something very nice n sweet later comes his true colors. he wil say all those things n do al those things which u wanna hear.later he deceives u like he did it to mother Eve. careful-pls

Answer 7

AMEN BROTHER!!