Why do people say; "How can this (the universe) all be an accident?"?

Question

There are so many things in this world that are proven to be totally chaotic and random or thatsound very unlikely, yet result in real, very ordered and beautiful outcomes. How can people see those, and not see that randomness is not abhorrent or destructive?
You want examples? OK...try these:
1. Snowflakes. These are chaotic...that's why you can never find two identical flakes (since the starting conditions are random for each flake). Yet; due to some very simple physical rules they all end up looking like snowflakes, and they're all beautiful.
2. The lottery. If the odds are a billion to one against, most religious people would say "You'd need a miracle to win - god would have to be involved somewhere".
I would say. "All you'd need for this to happen is a billion people...hardly a miracle".
The same with the universe. It can easily have been shaped through entirely random events..which may be incredibly unlikely to happen, but have had trillions of trillions of years to happen!

To jjjjjjjj: Perhaps you should take your own advice you numpty. I have a degree in Physics from one of the best universities in the UK. Where exactly is your expertise? To suggest that any snowflake can be said to be absolutely identical, given the meaurement problem, (read up on Quantum Theory if you don't know what I'm talking about) suggests to me that you're not bright enough to understand my point anyway.

To Cher: The random events were caused by other random events. Of course this isn't a perfect answer, but then "what caused god" is just as impossible for you to answer. I could ask you what god did before he invented mankind? My point is that just because you/I/we are incapable of knowing something, does not mean we are right to ascribe it to supernatural forces. Some people struggle to understand algebra, so why would we think anyone should be able to answer why anything exists. (I always think "Why not?" in answer to that question)

Answer 1

And your question is....???

Answer 2

It all depends on your presuppositions. You see a snowflake as random and chaotic because you start from the presupposition that there is no God. I see a snowflake as created different to all other snowflakes as another miracle of a creator God.
I don't think many people think you need God to win the lottery, of course that's a gamble (and as a Christian I don't gamble on the lottery anyway!)
Also your assertion that the universe is 'trillions and trillions' of years old is based on the assumption that there is no God and that evolution is true. Evolution needs all that time to work. Christian creationists can look at the available data and make entirely different conlusions without going outside of science in it's purest form.

Answer 3

The Bubble concept claims there are universe bubbles particularly much touching one yet another jointly with a foam. If those boxes are close adequate, they could combine. there is not something quantifiable in this hypothesis. it could function a psychological springboard for different conjecture. If the universe has habit like this, no count how long you go away a telescope mounted on one area you will never comprehend if the article on your lens grew from a nebula or become mixed into our international. IOW, this is not an answerable question. this is solid to think of approximately, because of the fact it can bring about discoveries on smaller scales. The likeliest reason there is not a multiverse is grounded in Thermodynamic rules. This next occasion isn't info, yet can assist you draw close it. As count is fed on, say burned, it has a ability of recording the information. it is considered conservation. to ascertain that the universe to be endless (universes), it may be needed for nature to forget approximately its secretarial layout. Many concept experiments have long gone into Maxwell's Demon and how it secretly ought to rearrange molecules. yet, there is plenty helping info interior the opposite that citing the difficulty as a valid notion for issues like loose capability brings raised eyebrows (and not for solid motives).

Answer 4

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth, Whoops! Sorry it was an accident, I was trying to make an electric toaster.

Yes, if you have 14.7 million people doing the lottery, there's an evens chance one of them will win. Where are all the universes, created at random that turned out to be electric toasters?

Answer 5

For the creation of the universes

evolutionists say...something started from nothing

the problem is, that what you call nothing overcomes all the laws of newton to have formed the universe, and then confirms all those laws having created it

such as the conservation of angular momentum,

planets spining in opposite ways, indicates that they did not all come form the same explosion

any why go bang in the first place?

at object at rtest weill remain at rest, or if in motion will remain in motion, unless an external force was applied

if the univerese did go bang, why so? or in scientific terms, what was the external force applied that made the big bang go bang

An external force, that weas extremely powerful and provided order...hmmmm

Answer 6

Preaching to the choir here. You are touching on the chaos theory.
Unfortunately, most people (religious) cannot fathom the age we are talking about for everything to be as it is now. They want to see evolution in a few years, not a hundred million.

I also do not understand religious people's need to ask "Where did the universe come from?" What a silly question. Why did it have to come from anywhere? Everything in the universe just IS. Its just energy and empty space.

Answer 7

There is a big problem with what you say... Many, if not all, of the forces that create do so, not randomly, but by their nature!
Molecules react with other molecules, because that's what they do! It might SEEM as though it's random, but it's not.
And yet, while it may seem to others that this nature is due to some god-force,... that cannot be proven, and so it has no place in the discussion.

Answer 8

Every artificial thing that you see around has been created by man. None of these artificial things happened by accident since even that accident would have had the hand of man as intervention.

The man has created numerous amazing things! And a doctor can save a life and even clone you. (Not by accident) by hard work.

A monkey can look for a tool to open a box.

And you find difficult to believe that there are higher life forms?
Even a most high? That can create at higher grounds?.

Intelligence is what it takes to find the facts, Wisdom is what it takes to find the truth.

Answer 9

randomness and order are but concepts in the mind, and do not actually reflect the reality of the things we label as such.

it is a function of the mind to impose order. is this what it was designed for? or is this just like many of the other things like those you list that are natural results of the kind of universe we live in? the reality is is that chaos cannot exist without order to compare it to, and order arises spontaneously from chaos.

one of my favorite quotes from Alan Watts, a famous Buddhist philosopher: "earth peoples in the same way as an apple tree apples; why do we marvel at the one and not the other? are they not both marvelous?"

Answer 10

firstly everything you said has nothing to do with your main question.. have you ever been so sad as to look for two identical snowflakes. as for your degree.. i think you hit minus degrees when you thought we was all gonna wonder if snowflakes were ever the same...no two things are ever the same.. things are only alike...

Answer 11

It's all in the maths mate.

1 x 10 to the power of 40,000