beta_fishy
Remember that when Adam and Eve unleashed sin and death into the world, they also allowed all of us to live on this Earth. Without that act, we could not gain bodies, learn and grow, and return to our Heavenly Father and become like Him.
We hope to become like our Heavenly Father and to inherit all that He has, as the scriptures promise.
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The above was posted on answers a few minutes ago. What is said here is completely blasphemous. beta_fishy is saying the plan was for Adam and Eve to sin and take the fruit. That is so wrong and the Bible teaches no such thing and neither does the Book of Mormon. That is probably in your Pearl of great Price or Doctrine of Covenants. D of C was written by J Smith and other men. Don't go and preach that all the books complement each other because they clearly don't.
2007-09-05 03:41:15 · 17 answers · asked by Smart_Guy 4 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
This is one of the reasons why the Mormon religion cannot be reconciled to Christianity. It also explains why some people have grown up with a perverted attitude towards sex, imagining it's sinful. The Genesis account gives no base whatever for saying sex was the 'sin' that Adam and Eve were cast out of the Garden of Eden for. One answerer has correctly pointed out that God blessed them and TOLD them to reproduce (sexually - there was no other way!) BEFORE he forbad them to eat of that one fruit in the garden.
Of course, the early Mormon idea of sex was O.T.T. - men had to get as many wives as they could and produce as many children as they could in order to populate their own planet, of which they would become the gods, full of worshippers. So no wonder they preached that Adam did us all a favor by having sex with Eve. Nothing like giving yourself the green light to be far more sexually active than the State allows - well, the men, that is. It wasn't a woman who founded Mormonism, was it?
A 3rd generation Mormon, Thelma Geer, has written about all this in her book 'Mormonism, Mama and Me!' with headings such as, 'God, a Polygamous Married Man... Jesus and Satan - Sexually Begotten Sons of God... The Bible - A Polluted, Insufficient Guide... No One Can Go to Heaven Single... God Is Married - To Mary... God, a Being of Body, Parts and Passions... Polygamists Are Virile... Jesus Christ a Polygamist... Polygamy Is Still Valid...' She knew what she was talking about and everything she claims is documented.
2007-09-06 08:01:28 · answer #1 · answered by Annsan_In_Him 7 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Good for Fishy!
Blasphemous? The Book of Mormon gives an explanation of Father's purpose in creating the test for Adam and Eve. It is in Genesis, but takes a little understanding to extract. The first commandment was not about the fruit of the the tree. It was to go forth and multiply. Adam and Eve were unable to keep this commandment.
2007-09-05 04:06:18 · answer #2 · answered by Isolde 7 · 4⤊ 1⤋
It might help to study the difference between "sin" and "transgress." The word "transgress" has more than one meaning. See the second definition below. Transgression may also involve breaking one commandment in order to fulfill a higher law. For example, if you have heard of people stealing food to feed their children, that is an example of transgression more than sin. It is still a crime, but the motive goes back to breaking one commandment, or law, in order to fulfill another one. I think what you are worried about is that you think it sounds like God meant for humans to sin from the get-go, which is not His role at all. His role was to set up commandments and teach the consequences. He was not allowed to tell Adam and Eve to break His own commandments, because He could not tell them to break a commandment which would result in physical and spiritual death. There is more to the story of Adam and Eve than what happened in a literal linear timeline on earth. The "sin" was eating forbidden fruit. It is the kind of "sin" that a young child might commit, not a grievous sin like murder. And again, the plan of having a Savior was already in place. Read the Book of Mormon with the Bible and Pearl of Great Price a little more slowly, please.
One entry found for transgress is in the Merriam Webster online dictionary.
Main Entry: trans·gress
Pronunciation: tran(t)s-'gres, tranz-
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French transgresser, from Latin transgressus, past participle of transgredi to step beyond or across, from trans- + gradi to step -- more at GRADE
intransitive verb
1 : to violate a command or law : SIN
2 : to go beyond a boundary or limit
transitive verb
1 : to go beyond limits set or prescribed by : VIOLATE
2 : to pass beyond or go over (a limit or boundary)
2007-09-05 17:31:51 · answer #3 · answered by Cookie777 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
What the Mormons fail to see is that Adam and Eve were told to multiply and fill the earth BEFORE they sinned. So that shoots down the argument that they needed to sin for us to get bodies and for us to live on the earth.
After God created man He said that "it was good". This is before the fall. After the fall, the Lord chastened them, cursing women to bear children in pain, and cursing work- making it difficult for man. Why would God chasten them if what they did was good? That would make God unjust.
Why would God command them not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil if it was His purpose that they do so? This would make God dishonest.
Sin is not God's will. Sin has never made anyone closer to God- it always separates us from God. It is only through God's mercy that He gave the life of His Son to heal the sin sickness that Adam and Eve brought into the world. Praise God that "For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." Romans 5:19
2007-09-05 16:20:04 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 1⤋
Contrary to what you implied, the Book of mormon clearly explained why Adam and Eve partakes of the fruit inorder to go through life as a mortal, so they can learn and progress.
beta-fish is not wrong.
Most christian like you probably believe Adam and Eve should be "blame" for all the pains in this world, but we LDS mormon believes Adam and Eve is wise to choose the mortal path:
22 And now, behold, if Adam had not transgressed he would not have fallen, but he would have remained in the garden of Eden. And all things which were created must have remained in the same state in which they were after they were created; and they must have remained forever, and had no end.
23 And they would have had no children; wherefore they would have remained in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no sin.
24 But behold, all things have been done in the wisdom of him who knoweth all things.
25 Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy.
26 And the Messiah cometh in the fulness of time, that he may redeem the children of men from the fall. And because that they are redeemed from the fall they have become free forever, knowing good from evil; to act for themselves and not to be acted upon, save it be by the punishment of the law at the great and last day, according to the commandments which God hath given.
27 Wherefore, men are free according to the flesh; and all things are given them which are expedient unto man. And they are free to choose liberty and eternal life, through the great Mediator of all men, or to choose captivity and death, according to the captivity and power of the devil; for he seeketh that all men might be miserable like unto himself.
(Book of Mormon | 2 Nephi 2:22 - 27)
2007-09-05 08:12:04 · answer #5 · answered by Wahnote 5 · 4⤊ 1⤋
Sorry, yet we in basic terms tell the actuality. Evolution is purely a thought that could no longer be to any extent further incorrect. If we supposedly developed from monkeys, i'm suprised we're not seeing greater monkeys evolving into human beings now! How did it end?!?! replaced into it magic?! No, Darwin replaced into the two defective, or he lied.
2016-10-04 00:48:20 · answer #6 · answered by ? 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
When Adam and Eve were placed in the Garden of Eden, they were not yet mortal. They were not able to have children. There was no death. They had physical life because their spirits were housed in physical bodies made from the dust of the earth. They had spiritual life because they were in the presence of God. They had not yet made a choice between good and evil.
God commanded them to have children. He said, “Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it, and have dominion over … every living thing that moveth upon the earth”. God told them they could freely eat of every tree in the garden except one, the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Of that tree God said, “In the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die”.
Satan, not knowing the mind of God but seeking to destroy God’s plan, came to Eve in the Garden of Eden. He tempted her to eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. He assured her that she and Adam would not die, but that they would “be as gods, knowing good and evil”. Eve yielded to the temptation and ate the fruit. When Adam learned what had happened, he chose to partake also. The changes that came upon Adam and Eve because they ate the fruit are called the Fall.
LDS believe that the Fall is absolutely necessary for the Redemption, and that the Redemption is necessary to pave the way for our return to God with the ability to have a physical body.
2007-09-05 06:28:20 · answer #7 · answered by phrog 7 · 4⤊ 0⤋
2 Nephi 2:25: Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy.
Absolutely I am saying that the plan was for Adam and Eve to transgress and partake of the forbidden fruit. The Bible does not explicitly teach this doctrine, but one must logically deduce it. Was the fall of Adam (and the subsequent mortal existence we all are experiencing) simply an accident, an aberration that God did not forsee? Common sense tells us that is false.
If you don't agree with LDS doctrine, that's fine. I respect your beliefs and your freedom to choose what to believe. I happen to agree with the teachings of Joseph Smith. He was a true prophet of God, and his fruits (the Book of Mormon and other scriptures) are true as well.
2007-09-05 03:50:48 · answer #8 · answered by Open Heart Searchery 7 · 8⤊ 3⤋
I think you'll find that Mormons will agree with beta-fishy's statement and that we don't find it blasphemous at all. It is a principle that is taught in the Bible as well as the Book of Mormon.
2007-09-05 05:54:48 · answer #9 · answered by Senator John McClain 6 · 2⤊ 1⤋
The details may be unclear in the Bible alone, but what does your heart say? Do you feel it was a surprise to God for Adam and Eve to partake of the forbidden fruit?
Our Heavenly Father planned for events to unfold as they did to create the proper conditions for our growth and development. We needed the opposition to help us develop a better understanding of right and wrong.
One of the keys to understanding these things is gaining a proper understanding of our relationship to God. I find the following verses enlightening in this regard:
Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.
Romans 8:16-17
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
2007-09-05 04:43:55 · answer #10 · answered by Bryan Kingsford 5 · 4⤊ 2⤋