Defeating multiple opponents, is it possible??

Question

ok so in my long time in the Kung Fu community, I stumbled across the Wudang mountain style of Kung Fu and they are teaching their disciples some formations that they claim that "could" survive attack from 50 opponents from all directions, armed or not(although they are only 6 of them) do you think this is possible??? Some people told me that MAYBE it is possible ONLY if they are not so outnumbered, what do you think???

I mean 6 vs. 50, is that possible

Answer 1

ROFLMAO!!!

First first off... LOL!!! Wait... let me catch my breath, some priceless answers here....

So they are saying that 6 unarmed people could face 50 ARMED people and win?

Seriously, that is the most ridiculous amount of horsespit I have ever heard in my life.

Seriously, Ray H has this one right. It is so wrong it is laughable.

1 Total bad ***, vs. 2 dumbasses with weapons equals a brutally injured bad ***.

Forget all this crap you hear from people.

Unless you train with multiple opponents coming after you and actually really trying to fight you, then you are not training multiple opponents.

You find very quickly in REAL multiple opponent situations, you will end up on the ground. It is just too hard to fight off that much force period.

One person verses 3 or 4 (unless very luckly) will usually end up with that one person on the ground fetal position protecting himself.

I know this is counter to what many of you believe, but you have to actual look at reality. Is it possible to defeat multiple opponents?

Yes, however it is very unlikely.

Is it possible to survive or walk away with minor injuries from a multiple opponent attack.

Most definately.

But a situation where you think you are going to drop 3 or 4 guys and walk away unscathed with them on the ground bleeding is not realistic.

Have someone go at you 100 percent in a fight. See how difficult that is. Now have 2 people do that, and you find out that you can only punch one person at a time, only kick one person at a time, and while you can defend multiple strikes, and multiple angles, mounting a significant offense is limited.

I am not talking this choreographed random attack BS you see RBSD, or Aikido, or Karate, etc instructors do.

I am talking about 3 people seriously trying to hurt you, not running at you like a damn idiot. But walking up, guarded picking their shots and attacking.

While you launch an attack at one, the other two will chose that opening in your defense to come on you.

Just try sparring limited rules, say punching only and find out how difficult such a thing is.

People don't have to have training in order to hurt you. Especially with weapons.

Seriously, I have spent time in great places, under absolutely great instructors, including what many consider is one of the premeir self defense places in the world with Wingate in Israel.

When faced with multiple opponents, you attack simply to find a way to get away. You move constantly, and you look for an opportunity to escape. You don't stick around and engage multiple opponents.

There are a few people I see doing it right, and the only way to do it is fully alive, with full resistance. Any rehearsed pre determined attack that is not meant to actually hit...

I mean seriously, there is reality folks. Some of you need to wake up to it. Train your damn art, love it. But be realistic, spar it, and fight hard. Don't fall into the movie, power ranger, bull. Training Martial Arts is a tool in your tool belt, one that helps you in a physical confrontation, it helps increase the odds of your winning. Training as close to real as possible greater increases your odds, but it never garuntees victory.

A fluke shot from a random untrained guy can knock you out just as easily as an accurate power shot from a trained fighter.

Now you multiple that factor with more people, and the unpredictability really comes in.

Multiple opponent situations aren't going to occur with 3 or 4 people around you.

They will occur when you are on top of, or on the ground or dealing with one guy, you will get blind sided by his buddy, then maybe another buddy jumps in when you are weakened. Even with high awareness it usually isn't something you can see coming.


6 people in a circle, rectangle or any kind of formation, highly trained even facing fellow unnarmed people would lose quickly and easily to a force of 20. Their formation would get easily broken as the people shoved them back, they would be easy targets because of being stuck and immobile in a formation.

This is very different from an armed force taking on an armed force, where armor, techniques and weaponry can be used, and formations can be held.

Yes the Trojans did it, they did it with a great terrain, vastly superior weaponry, armor, and tactics. That is wholly different from being unnarmed, especially vs. an armed opponent.

One moderately trained armed opponent can go through quite a few unarmed opponents, however one unarmed opponent cannot go through multiple armed opponents.

Forget the movies, forget the Chi blasts, and choreography, reality is reality. Martial Arts will not make you invincible or a super hero, or capable of taking on 3 and 4 people at a time.

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Answer 2

Yes ti's possible, there are stories of crusaders, who where described as using multiple opponents as mere practice, and samurai who would dive into a battle, such as 1 on 100, and causing the opponents to flee, because the said samurai would be slaying them so fast and so effortlessly that it was like 'fighting a storm'

Stories many stories, monks who had taken out about 50 armed(with guns) with just one handgun and a knife.

But these are stories. Why don't you get a bunch of guys together and ask one of the teachers to give a demonstration? That'd make it clear cut.

Answer 3

6 fighting 50, hmmm good odds I hope. If the 6 individuals have proper martial art training. The 50 individuals that don't have any training at all. Except what they learned in public school. I would say, yes to the 6 winning. I have video of one of my seito fighting 7 individuals. The more individuals you fight, they seemed to get in each others way. Then again, body change, and placing the attackers, body between you and the other attackers. Again too, the element of surprize. If the 50 don't know your ability, just picking fights etc...etc...Then the karate ka, should just stay relaxed and go with the flow. Attackers, are always thrown around by good martial Artist. Body change, that allows one to move left or right, and pivit 180 degrees instantly. Helps big time too.

Good statement and question.

Answer 4

Many martial arts,including kung fu,are not always realistic. There is a lot of dancing and beautiful,flowing movements,in search of the greater meaning of life.This is an important part of why many people practice martial arts,but this is too romantic for fighting. Could master Wang win the UFC?Or Pride or K1?I have my doubts. It is possible for someone very skilled to beat many opponents,if those opponents are unskilled and disorganised.But 50 organised,skilled opponents?The odds are so improbable as to be effectively no chance.

Answer 5

50? While it's possible of course, but not probable as most people with any fighting experience would say. Six, however, is a much more probable number. Still it would be very tough and you'd have to know how to make them use THEIR numbers against them, while managing to keep adequate space for reading the next move/attack at the same time. It would be hard!

Answer 6

Possible--yes, technically. Probable--not likely at all. More than likely this is a BS claim. See if they have any documented or historical cases where this was actually successful.

I mean, simply doing the math means that each of the 6 people would have to defend themselves against 8.333 people all coming in at once from an acute angle (before the attackers start to overlap into someone else's angle of attack).

Do you think that anyone would be able to defend yourself against 8 or 9 armed people all coming at you at once?

Though in retrospect, I'm pretty confident that if me and 5 of my friends were all circled by a mob of 50 angry senior citizens armed with canes and walkers we could probably beat them all.

Answer 7

well i am tuaght how to fight 2 or 3m maybe even 4 but like 50 i seriously doubt that is even possible, unless you have a machine gun or something, the basis of how to fight multiple opponants is lining them up and fighting one at a time, or using moves that hit more than one, in the movies you see them perfectly alligned, in a real match this is highly improbable, try fighting even 2 opponants at the same time, its hard

Answer 8

I think it'd be possible if you were smart about the fight and you used your terrain and them as your shields and obstacles for your advantage.

The Spartans did it (in a manner of speaking). But I'd say on open ground against even 3...you're in deep trouble and you'd be better off to beat feet.

Answer 9

The possibility of surviving an armed attack by 50 assailants is so remote its laughable. The reasoning on this is possible, yes - probable, no. I'd hate to even try to figure out the odds on that.

Answer 10

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