The creationist/I.D. challenge! Bring your evidence for creation.?

Question

RULES:

1) You must give only evidence FOR I.D. or Creationism
2) You may not attempt only to discredit parts, or the whole of evolutionary theory.
3) You may not claim that some other scientific principle runs contrary to evolutionary theory, i.e. 2nd law of thermodynamics (which it doesn't, if it did evolutionary theory would have died out years ago).
4) You must at least appear to know what you're talking about.
5) No scripture.

Here's your chance... tell us "evolutionists" how wrong we are by actually providing scientific evidence in favor of creationism or I.D. Please cite research where applicable.

almost forgot:

6) No arguments from ignorance. i.e. "we don't know how X happened, herefore magic man did it."

Answer 1

Prepare yourself for a bunch of pseudo geology and flood mumbo jumbo...

Just to counter in advance, here's the link for info against the flood.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

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Disregard all the weak anthropic principle stuff below as well.

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Seek4truths's information theory argument is essentially an argument from ignorance...

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CF/CF003.html for more info

Answer 2

Quite miraculously, here we are! Not any more nonsensical than the idea of life spontaneously popping out of a soup of randomly mixing chemicals when you get right down to it. Why don't you quit wasting your time on here maligning people who believe differently than you and go crack open a few science books and read the vast array of speculations about how and why we're here. Use your own brain and really think about them and see if they're really any more plausible or if you just prefer them because they allow you to leave God out of the equation.

Answer 3

Your rule # 4 states that I must appear to know what I am talking about. Why doesn't that rule apply to you? I am no scientist and you are obviously not a theological scholar, so can you first explain to me how evolution contradicts I.D.or vice versa? Evolution is a process used by God, just like the big bang was how God created the universe. Science is still very limited in its knowledge. A lot of it is still theories or speculation. Even Christians believe in evolution, but to what extent is where the argument begins. Science still has yet to prove that homo sapians evolved from other creatures. We may have 99% of our DNA in common with a chimpanzee but what about that 1%? That is what makes us a unique species. Interesting that you call it evolutionary "theory", which by definition means that it has not been proven yet. Just because someone theorizes it does not make it true.

Answer 4

The argument from information

1. All languages, codes, protocols and encoding / decoding mechanisms that we know the origin of come from a mind - there are no known exceptions

2. DNA is a language, a code, a protocol, and an encoding / decoding mechanism

3. Therefore DNA came from a mind.

Answer 5

If you know me...

I pick Intelligent Design. For what reason other than by design, other than to kill a creature so far out of it's habitat, so far from it's environment, so unknown and alien to it, never before seen, is the existence of the Blue Ringed Octopus (genus Hapalochlaena). So intelligently designed as to even kill mammals such as the North American Bison, which it has never, ever, encountered. It has nothing to do with the fact that creatures on earth have connectedness reaching back countless years through a variety of common ancestors and share common neuropathways.

That octopus must have been intelligently designed by the creator because there's no way it's existence, or it's effect on creatures outside of it's habitat, could be justified without the direction of the one true god.

Answer 6

On this same topic astrophysicist George Greensteen wrote:

"There are three quite separate structures in this story-helium, beryllium, and carbon-and two quite separate resonances. It is hard to see why these nuclei should work together so smoothly…Other nuclear reactions do not proceed by such a remarkable chain of lucky breaks…It is like discovering deep and complex resonances between a car, a bicycle, and a truck. Why should such disparate
structures mesh together so perfectly? Upon this our existence, and that of every life form in the universe, depends." The Symbiotic Universe, p. 43-44

“As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?” -George Greenstein

"The scientist is possessed by the sense of universal causation...His religious feeling takes the form of rapturous amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals the intelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection. - Albert Einstein (theoretical physicist)


"I am fascinated by some strange developments going on in astronomy....The astronomical evidence leads to a Biblical view of the origin of the world". -- Robert Jastrow (Astomomer) and former Director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies

“The more I examine the universe and the details of its architecture, the more evidence I
find that the universe in some sense must have known we were coming.” - Freeman Dyson (physicist)

“The exquisite order displayed by our scientific understanding of the physical world calls
for the divine.” - Vera Kistiakowsky (physicist)

"For the scientist who has lived his dream by faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries." - Robert Jastrow (astronomer and physicist)

Answer 7

So, all we have so far is the "the universe is too complex to explain, so goddunit?"

At least he followed the rules, way to go.

Answer 8

Now - same rules for evolution - and you must show how the odds of over 2+ billion to one actually came about.

Answer 9

I totally agree with the Rev. Albert Einstein! You go boy! :D

Answer 10

God needs no proof.

You are right. He doesn`t see you. You don`t believe, thus he doesn`t exist for you. He only acts according to YOUR belief. You don`t believe, he doesn`t act. Nuff said....

I am blessed in the city, Blessed in the fields, Blessed going out and blessed coming in. God is good..

Peace & God bless from Texas. <><