Ecclesiates 9:5 & John 11:24?

Question

Do you see this as proof we do not have an eternal soul?

Ecc 9:5 "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."

John 11:24 "Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day."

The verse in ecclesiates says the dead know nothing at all. And in John, Martha talks about a resurrection in the last day. So they must be dead up to this point to be resurrected.

Answer 1

If the soul is immortal, then the resurrection is pointless. The Bible clearly states that the soul dies, and something immortal doesn't die.

Answer 2

Youre right, when your dead your dead, there is no spirit that lives on. Here are some more to prove that. Gen.3:19, Eccl.9:10, Ps.146:4, Ezek.18:4Isa.53:12 Eccl.9:6, Isa26:14. People think that your soul gos out of you when you die. You are a living soul and when you die so does your soul.Gen.2:7, 1cor.15:45, 1 Pet.3:20, Gen.9:5, Josh.11:11. Animals are also living souls. Gen.1:20,21,24,25, Lev.24:17,18, Rev.16:3. And here are just a few more to prove that people and animals are all living souls.Ezek.18:4, Matt.10:28,Acts 3:23.

Answer 3

Yes

The Bible has had it right for millenniums. “A live dog is better off than a dead lion. For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten.” (Ecclesiastes 9:4, 5) A short walk around any ancient graveyard will soon confirm that truth.

Does that mean there is absolutely no hope for the dead? The Bible certainly offers no basis for belief in an immortal soul that survives death. (Genesis 2:7; Ezekiel 18:4, 20) However, Jesus Christ did preach about resurrection to life on a restored paradise earth. His Jewish follower Martha, whose brother, Lazarus, had just died, believed in the resurrection, for she said of Lazarus: “I know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.”
To this, Jesus answered: “I am the resurrection and the life. He that exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life; and everyone that is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all. Do you believe this?” (John 11:25, 26) Earlier, he had said: “Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.” But notice, Jesus made no mention of an immortal soul!

According to God’s Word, therefore, while people are alive, they are aware of death. When death occurs, however, they are aware of nothing. They do not stand beside their own corpse, observing what is done to it. In nonexistence there is neither pleasure nor pain, neither joy nor sorrow. Those dead are not aware of the passing of time. Theirs is an unconscious state deeper than any sleep.

Martha had heard about Jesus’ promise: ‘All those in the memorial tombs will come out.’ (John 5:28, 29) So “the last day” is when all those in God’s memory will be brought back to life. This last day is not a 24-hour day. It will be a thousand years long. On this day, the Bible says, ‘God will judge the people of the earth.’ The ones he judges will include those who have been resurrected.

Martha understands Jesus to be speaking of a future earthly resurrection, to which Abraham and other servants of God also looked forward. So she replies: “I know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.”

Jesus gives hope for immediate relief, replying: “I am the resurrection and the life.” He reminds Martha that God has given him power over death, saying: “He that exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life; and everyone that is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all.”

Jesus is not suggesting to Martha that faithful ones then alive will never die. No, but the point he is making is that exercising faith in him can lead to everlasting life. Such life will be enjoyed by most people as a result of their being resurrected on the last day. But others who are faithful will survive the end of this system of things on earth, and for these Jesus’ words will be true in a very literal sense. They will never die at all!

Answer 4

Read the first four words. Solomon is speaking from the perspective of the living, not from God's perspective of eternity. From the "living" point of view, yes, the dead know nothing (try asking them a question), no more reward (we gain reward by what we do now), memory of them is forgotten (we only remember a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of those who are dead now)

Matthew 22:31-32
But concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God, saying, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”

Answer 5

Did you Know that if you (a Spirit) are not Recreated (Born-Again) then you are Dead Spiritually---EVEN though you are Still an "Alive Spirit".

Any "Alive Spirit" that does not have GOD Almighty Flowing through them, are Dead Spiritually.

Jesus Called Himself the Son of Man, because HE took on a Human Body.

The Body dies cause we come out of it, the Body dosen't Remember or can Talk once we Leave it.

Answer 6

If we want to make broad theological decisions based on only two verses, and ignore every other aspect of the Bible, let's make it simple, and stick with just this one verse:

"Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of your words." Proverbs 23:9

Answer 7

The 9th chapter of Ecclesiastes is talking about man's common destiny; all men die physically.
John11:25,26-"Jesus said to her,I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me will live, even though he dies. And whoever lives and believes in Me will never die."
So, you were saying?

Answer 8

You might want to read the book by Watchman Nee (sp?) Body, Soul, and Spirit. I think that this will clear up your questions.