...denying Gay Rights/Marriage/Unions on the grounds of using the Christian Bible? I will not use the words, Separation of Church and State because that's not in the Constitution, but what is, is that this country was founded as a secular country, so humor me, how can you justify this on the grounds of religion and law?
2007-09-04 10:25:22 · 24 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Oh yes, it's in the Hadith, it's in the Koran, the Vedas speaks of it slightly, not necessarily in a tone of being against it. But we also have Atheists, Buddhists, etc. Christianity is the majority in this country, and I've yet to encounter another majority that has such power that uses their religion as a reason, hence why Christianity stands out.
2007-09-04 10:37:25 · update #1
Separation of church and state is in the first amendment. It is not worded absolutely but the meaning is undeniable.
But to answer the direct part of your question. It does not say in the bible that marriage of gays is an abomination - it says that the act of homosexuality is an abomination. The christian case against gay marriage should not be based on homosexuality being an abomination because it isn't valid in the context of marriage - it should be based on only heterosexual marriages being mentioned in the bible. However that is a very weak case, and so the more emotionally impacting but invalid 'abomination' case is used.
What is surprising is that this legerdemain has gone unnoticed for so long.
2007-09-04 10:28:11 · answer #1 · answered by Dharma Nature 7 · 7⤊ 3⤋
Basically they can't
Gay marriage is an open & shut 14 th Amendmentment equal protection case.
Since the State has few if any restrictions on marriage what is the good reason for the State to now arbitrarily decide not to grant gay people the same rights as other Americans ? And the answer is that there isn't one
Then the full faith and credit clause of Article IV kicks in and a legal marriage in one state is a legal marriage in all states.
The ironic thing about the way that this is going to all play out is that it will be a conservative Justice that worships the Constitution that will ultimatley make gay marriage legal.
2007-09-04 10:51:08 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
Well, here's the thing.
In this country, everyone has the right to vote.
Evidently, so far, anyhow, the majority seems not to be too interested in passing a law allowing gay marriage.
For whatever reason, most of the folks who vote seem to be against the idea.
Could be because of their religion, or it could be a personal bias, but it doesn't really matter...
The point is, the majority has said "no" to gay marriage.
They may change their minds in the future...it is extremely likely...
But until that happens, it's no good whining that "Christians won't let gay people get married"...since it really isn't up to the church...
Remember that handy "separation of church and state" you guys are so fond of quoting (even though it is no part of any document defining the laws of our nation)?
Well, Hun, it works both ways, I'm afraid. The state may not make laws regulating the church...and the church may not make laws on it's own, either.
So, humor me, go to the polls, vote your mind, and, if it doesn't go your way, get over it.
2007-09-04 10:52:24 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
This nation was founded on Christian values and morals. Since the majority on the nation is NOT Christian, if people actually wanted that law over turned they could do it. They say they are for gay marriage but when it comes down to doing something about it-it is all talk. i am a Christian and I believe that everyone has a right to their own beliefs, so I do not force my beliefs onto others. If it passes that gay marriage is legal I will accept it. It will still be sin in my eyes. Peace
2007-09-04 10:58:06 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
I'm not so sure about the USA being as secular as EU countries (with respect to the gov't), but nonetheless, I don't understand how they can give it a religious meaning, when in fact, this country was founded by those seeking religious freedom and not forcing their thoughts or beliefs on others. I am a Christian, but some Christians try to force stuff down people's throats. I guess I'm a liberal Christian, which many Christians also think is a contradiction/oxymoron.
Oh and they're trying to preserve the "sanctity" of marriage...what sanctity?!...when 51% (a majority) of marriages in the USA end up in divorce...then you have people like Britney Spears who have 55 hour marriages. PLEASE!
2007-09-04 10:32:32 · answer #5 · answered by ny2la_usamex 3 · 4⤊ 1⤋
1. Prayer was never forbidden in schools. Lots of people like to claim so so they can claim persecution of their religion, but the fact remains, you can pray your head off as long as you don't demand that everyone else pray with you. 2. No, the two things are completely unrelated. For instance, that argument falls apart with anything. I could say around that time the civil rights movement was happening, so that is the source of immorality. The teachers were getting more lax and more hippie like. Vietnam was affecting the country. About that time, the very very early forms of rap music were established, that is the source of immorality. In the 60s, women were coming out of their "housewife" shell and into the modern world of working and equal women. The world was moving forward. And for the last ten years or even longer, crime has been going DOWN. So. Where is your argument for that?
2016-05-21 04:26:52 · answer #6 · answered by ? 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
You state that "this country was founded as a secular country," however, that is not quite true. The First Amendment to the US Constitution states: "Congress shall make no law..." The States were free to impose religious laws. It was only later that the Supreme Court applied the First Amendment to the States.
Christians believe that God's laws prevail over the laws of man.
2007-09-04 10:33:27 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 2⤋
If we are going to deny benefits, privileges and civil rights to gay Americans based on religious beliefs, then which religious belief do we use as the basis for the law? My religious belief is that homophobia is a sin. I can back that up with Scripture, because Christ makes it crystal clear we are to treat others as we want to be treated. Prejudice, discrimination and exclusion are not treating others as we want to be treated. Based on my religious belief, being gay is not a sin and gay people should be allowed to be married. Why am I being discriminated against based on my religious beliefs?
2007-09-04 13:05:33 · answer #8 · answered by Michael B - Prop. 8 Repealed! 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
To be short, this country was founded by Christians for Christians to avoid religious persecution brought upon by Martin Luther's "Ninety-Nine Theses" of 1517. Undermining what this country was founded upon would be like trying to bake a cake without flour. There may be various types of cakes but the flour will always be there.
Also in my opinion, I think the powers that be are trying to avoid a flood of alternative variations of what marriage is thought to be. If you give privilege to one variation then you have to give it to anyone, with out discretion.
2007-09-04 11:19:51 · answer #9 · answered by Douglas B 1 · 0⤊ 1⤋
They are actually getting around it by defining what marriage is. If the legal definition of marriage is a man and woman, that takes the bible out of the equation.
Tricky little Christians. Keep voicing for rights and vote when given the chance. The reason the conservatives keep getting thier votes is that they are organized and they vote.
2007-09-04 10:29:19 · answer #10 · answered by ~Heathen Princess~ 7 · 4⤊ 2⤋