CHRISTAINS and ATHEISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

Question

I already no the answer to this question, but I just want to see if anyone is stupid enough to give me the wrong answer.



Christains CANNOT 100% prove that God exists....We cant! Simple as that. Thats why we use the word "faith". But we CANNOT prove that he is REAL!

.....But, you cant prove that he doesn't either, can you?

People say there is no God because the only proof we have is one little book. Somewhat.
Well....Hmmm....George Washington......Have any of you ever seen george washington? Noooo....you can only read about him. And hear the things he did. And see paintings of him.
Same thing with God. How do we no for sure that someone didn;t make up Geroge Washington. Its not really THAT much of a stupid statment if you think about it.

Anyway, NOT bashing Christains and NOT bashing atheists.
We cannot prove god exists....But can we prove that he doesn't?

Answer 1

Athiest say that believers are stupid because we have faith in something we can not prove, but they also have faith in something they can not prove. That is the true mark of a hypocrit!

Answer 2

The George Washington that most of us are familiar with from sugar coated, brainwashing history class of grade school is probably as fictional as God is. The only difference is that George Washington actually did exist and his portrayal to us is likely an embellishment of a real historical figure. God on the other hand was made up to replace multiple gods which in turn were made up to explain the wonders of life and the world that people could not understand.

Maybe it would be more accurate to compare Jesus Christ and George Washington than it is to compare him with God.

Jesus probably existed just like George Washington did. Both of their stories are also probably pretty off from reality.

God exists in the same way love or happiness exists: as an abstraction. It is all in your head... and yes, I do know that's enough to make something seem pretty damn real.

Answer 3

There is no way to prove something that doesn't exist and there is no point. I say that George Washington does exist because he is a real person that fought the Revolutionary War and is the first president of US.
If you contradicts this statement, then I ask you, how would you know if someone from present day today existed? From pictures and videos right? Well they didn't have that back then, but G.W. is a real person because there are paintings and letters to prove it.

With GW, there weren't cameras, video recorders back then to capture his existence. On the other hand, God still exists today so why can't we prove that?

Answer 4

You cannot ever have any conclusive proof that anything/anyone does not exist, but the attached link gives some credibility towards the idea that god is imaginary.

It is interesting to note how the American leaders' views on religion have changed from those of the founding fathers / first few presidents over the years.

"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." — Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1758.

"The Bible is not my Book and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma." — Abraham Lincoln.

"This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it." — John Adams, 2nd president of the U.S.

"What have been the fruits of Christianity ? Superstition, bigotry and persecution." — James Madison, 4th president of the U.S.

"I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God." — President George Bush, August 27, 1988.

"Our culture is superior. Our culture is superior because our religion is Christianity and that is the truth that makes men free." — Pat Buchanan, US Presidential candidate.

Answer 5

Atheist here, coming to tell you you're darn tootin'. The universe is huge, and very very odd. It may affront the logical processes of many an atheist to suggest that the universe is weird enough to have a God in it, but proof that he doesn't exist somewhere doesn't conclusively exist. We can say there's no reason why he needs to exist, we can say that the evidence we DO have doesn't support the idea that he does exist, we can even say that he's non-existent until proven otherwise. But the basic thrust of your argument is sound, as far as it goes. People read about George Washington and believe he existed because of the welath of evidence of his actions and statements. Similarly, very many atheists won't deny there existed a man named Joshuah Bar Joseph, who became known as Jesus of Nazareth because his life, deeds and statements are widely, if unconsistently and unsatisfyingly, chronicled.

The trouble with applying that argument to "God" is that "God is something beyond a human being, so even the people who orginally listened to him and heard his laws MIGHT have been talking to a genuine entity, or might, just as plausibly, have been talking to themselves. Because a relationship with a god - that's any god - requires a high degree of belief in that god's existence in the first instance, it's possible for things to be recorded as fact and or conversation that were really nothing but delusion. And equally, because each person's relationship with their god is individual, we can't know whether the Biblical authors were a) genuinely talking to a higher entity, and b) all taking to the SAME higher entity. So the recording of the words and deeds of "God" is not really as good, in evidential terms, as the recording of the life and words of Washington, Gandhi or Jesus.

Answer 6

I consider myself agnostic for the very reasons which you cite! I am not convinced either of the existence or the nonexistence of god since I agree that it is impossible to know for certain. I am nonreligious, however, and am a person of no "faith". I could only accept proof one way or the other, which I doubt will be available in my lifetime! I am a scientifically centered person and find the Big Bang Theory and the Theory of Evolution the only credible explanations for the origin and operation of the Universe, and yet I can not eliminate totally from my thinking the concept of Creation being the work of Cosmic Consciousness -- not "God" as that entity is envisioned by the pious.

Answer 7

The difficulty in proving or disproving God lies in the definition of "God". Any logical proof relies on clear definitions of the terms of the proof. If we can nail down some of the definitive attributes of God, we can work on determining whether or not he exists.

Obviously, the comparison between God and George Washington is nebulous. George Washington left behind thousands of artifacts that document his existence (birth records, letters, journals, memoirs, clothing, wigs, dentures, legal documents, etc.). Additionally, we have thousands of internally and externally consistent accounts from people who actually knew and worked with him personally. We don't have to just read about these things in books. We can personally travel to museums and archives all over America and view the artifacts for ourselves.

It is possible that ALL of this evidence is forged or grossly misinterpreted, and that George Washington never existed, but it's so unlikely that we can dismiss the possibility.

God, however you want to define him, does not bear out this same level of evidence, or anything even remotely close to the kind and quality of evidence that we demand from formal historians.

Answer 8

Of course we can't prove that God exists or doesn't. That is, like you said, the reason we have faith. But to compare him to George Washington is silly... we have letters and documents writen by him, while God only has the story which he told one of his followers and that has been translated and re-written a million times to fit the needs of thousands of people. We have documents the place the time of birth and death of George Washington, for God... we do not... and for his son Jesus... well he have a Holiday.. which doesn't not at all coinside with the date which he was born...

So...what are you arguing? Are you saying that we should have faith in God or are you saying that we should forget about it becuase we can not prove that He is there?

This is a vague and totally obsolete question... and by the way... NO is the anti of something... like "I have NO clue what you are saying!" What you mean is KNOW which is the hold the knowledge of something... like "I KNOW you need to study more."

Answer 9

I respect your views. I know you respect ours.

There are hundreds of first hand accounts and documents that refer to George Washington. We can even tour his home Mount Vernon outside Washington, DC. They even named a state after the man. British, French and American sources cite Washington, and report on him consistently.

No such volume of sources exists outside the Bible to prove that Jesus of Nazareth existed at all. There are a few sources, such as Josephus, but he only mentions Jesus one time in his history of the Jews.

Besides, George Washington never violated physics, walking on water or curing disease with a touch. Otherwise, there would many sources to confirm these miracles, and people would have thought he was the Second Coming.

OK. we must agree to disagree. I enjoy learning from you and others. I hope we all keep coming back.

Peace.

Answer 10

That might be one of the worst arguments I've heard, actually... No, you can't prove or disprove the existence of god. But, there is plenty of actual physical evidence that George Washington existed! It's a completely different scenario! A better example would be that you can't prove or disprove either Santa Claus or any god, like Zeus, Ra, Horus, Thor, or the Judeo-Christian god.

Answer 11

All that being said it can be proved by using the bible that the christian faith is one great big hypocrisy and makes no sense what so ever. As an agnostic I'm open to the idea of there being a higher power beyond our understanding but I am %100 certain that it is not the christian, Hebrew or Muslim faith.
Just because you can't prove a negative doesn't exist doesn't mean that any of these faiths has any validity at all. If you look into them they are all mere creations of man over the ages.