Do you think this is a legitimate argument for intelligent design?

Question

I do..........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9feXeL-3XA&mode=related&search=

It's about 3 minutes

Biran_sefar, what does religious harassment have to do with this subject, is this harassment? If it is, you're free to leave this section.

Franki, you believe that's what intelligent design is meant to do, get religion into school? First off, it isn't a "religion" no floods, no garden of eden's etc. are mentioned in ID, that is a religious belief.

Some people just kill me, they assume that if you believe there is meaning to the universe, you automatically believe noah lived for 600 yrs. Give me a break

I also agree beliefs of a creation should be kept seperate from learning institutions..it a belief, not a fact.

Also FRANKIE, you're answer is full of contradictions. You're christian and you talk like an atheist. Hmmm

Way, I have no problem with polytheism, in fact, I am open to many possibilities. I'm not stating this video as fact, I just think it's a good reason to believe that we are not a meaningless existence.

Answer 1

"Intelligent" design is just the latest trick to try to get religion into public schools. Since most "Christians" are home-schooled, why do they care so much what the rest of us do?

Give it up already. If you religious zealots were open to ALL religions being available to students, then I MIGHT back it. However, you all screech about the "one true religion" and you're not talking about Judaism, so all I can do is giggle or scratch my head in wonder.

And, no, I'm not Jewish. I'm actually a Protestant Christian who refuses to be tarred with the same brush as you intolerant nut-jobs. Oh, and I can't say this enough ... Catholics ARE Christians.

Hardy, I think my answer must be hitting a raw nerve with you since you've responded to it twice.

To respond to you, yes, Intelligent Design IS about religion. No, my answer is not full of contradictions. Notice that when I call others "Christians" it's in quotations, meaning I don't think they truly ARE Christian, hence me also calling them intolerant nut-jobs. Judaism was the first monotheastic "God" religion. In ancient times, in order to become a Christian, a person first had to become a Jew in order to know God. Only then were they capable of understanding Jesus. And, NOTHING in my response could possible suggest I'm an atheist.

Hell, I've been called Pagan and Heathen for not believing EXACTLY like all the Calvary Chapel sheep. Maybe some of them should actually STUDY their religion so they have some basis for their beliefs or faith other than "the minister said so". Maybe then they would know and remember that it's not up to them what other people do, nor is it their decision who goes to Heaven or Hell.

Answer 2

It's just another teleogical argument. These kind of arguments, arguments that derive from a percieved 'order' in the universe were invented by the Ancient Greeks to 'prove' their own Gods. When the Roman Catholics took over in the 4th Century they burnt and destroyed any piece of ancient intelligence they could find, luckily many copies of the most popular ancient texts made their way to the pagan middle east and were preserved there by the muslims until around the 11th century, when a more cultured Christian world began to warm to the idea of ancient thinkers and philosophers like Plato and Aristotle, and particularly, the techniques of sophistry. Along came Thomas Aquinas who first phrased the argument from design in the Christian tongue, it's been famous ever since. I'm extremely surprised this guy has managed to write a book about it, he should be paying royalties to Aquinas, who in turn should be paying Aristotle, and we should all be worshipping Zeus.

The conditions we live in are not ideal, but yes it is amazing to think that our planet can sustain human life, and that we are that life, but lets not jump to magical man yet, let's ask science first, how crazy and amazing this fact is. Science says, well, if we look around the universe, what we do know, is that it is very large, comparatively our solar system is a drop in the ocean. Whilst we haven't found life on other planets yet-we have found basic building blocks of life floating around- there is water in asteroids, ancient bacteria fossils as close as MARS (right next door), there are planets, that we can't see with the naked eye, but that appear to have livable orbits, and other promising factors. There is absolutely nothing to suggest, and all probability to assume that we are not the only living social species with higher order intelligence in the universe.

However, this, fundamentally, is where a teleological argument fails, we don't even need fancy science to invalidate 'the god theory'; If the argument is, that there could not be nothingness, then you are using complexity as proof of design, logically following from this, if you are right, then the design that we see has a designer, and that designer is God, if God designed this, then God is in fact a complex intelligence, therefore- keeping with your proposed rule, God needs a designer too.
This is why Ancient Greeks were more intelligent when they applied the argument from design, because Ancient Greeks had no problem with polytheism... you do!

Edit: Ok so you are open to the idea of polytheism, therefore you have no problem with God having a designer and so forth- but why? Isn't the belief in such a thing based on the 'evidence' that we have, which is complexity and the inferrence that complexity requires a creator far fetched and needlessly complicated? I would not say, as the video says, that it is 'equally logical' for there to be a Divine Being, rather, it remains a leap of faith.

Answer 3

No it's not.
Alot of things he dosen't mention like, do you know how many our of the known galaxy actually has a sun and conditions for life?

Not many at all.
And everything isn't as much in order as they claim, the only order is the laws of physics.
If this galaxy wouldn't have a seen, you wouldn't have been here to ask why it has a sun.

Also he makes mockery out of scientiftic theories and tells them (in short) worng.
Search in youtube Origin of the universe (5 parts, by stephen hawking)

Also, the speaker suggests there might be a god behind everything but it dosen't mean there is, just because some people think everything has an order dosen't mean someone had to be there.. then who created God?

And about people feeling something paranormal..
Just watch James Randi disproves all their psychic powers.

Answer 4

I think it has some interesting ideas... but I once again don't see any evidence for a god presented.

Intelligent Design tries to be a scientific theory. But science doesn't claim that things exist when no evidence exists to support such a claim... it's really as simple as that.

First, define god. What is god? Is the Yahweh concept right? The Hindu concept? The pantheist concept?

What qualities does "god" have? Is god all powerful? Perfect?

Is god simply the being that created the universe? If so, then aren't we all gods, since we all create things?

Where did god come from? Surely a being intelligent enough to "design" our existence must itself give evidence of design... so who "designed" god?

If god "always existed" then why can't the matter and energy that expanded at the Big Bang have always existed? Why can't it be that several different universes exist?

Why can't it be that existence is merely a dream of some creature who, when he wakes up will go about arguing and comtemplating the same concepts of "god" as we do?

There's a million possibilities. That's why science sticks with evidence and doesn't chase possibilities that have no evidence just for the heck of it.

Answer 5

There is absolutely not a single shred of credible evidence to support the completely ridiculous poppycock known as "intelligent design."

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9/04/07 You said, "Biran_sefar, what does religious harassment have to do with this subject, is this harassment? If it is, you're free to leave this section." Above is my original statement unedited and in its original form. At no point did I ever mention anything about harrassment; so your point is...?

Answer 6

No.
You don't have to believe in multi-verses to accept the rejection of the fine tuning argument, and the fact that the narrator thinks this is so, proves he is either ignorant or dishonest.

Any living being could hypothetically point to many different variables on which its life depends. Can you think of *any* way a living being could be dependent upon its environment in multiple different ways, and which if considered collectively, would not generate a very unlikely probability?

Answer 7

It would seem strange to think that in this universe if it was totally "dead" it would be composed of a totally homogeneous "soup" that would be the same everywhere and would never change into anything else. But the fact is that elements somehow seem to "group" together and form things that are unique and different from other things, including life forms. Atoms and particles group together and build on each other to create "oxygen" or "methane" or "water" or "living cells". How could they do that without any "intelligence" behind it?

Answer 8

Evolution appears to be the way things came to be (IMHO).

Who can say a larger intelligent process did not preceed this "big bang".

Answer 9

Not going to waste 3 minutes there.

I'll dismiss that here...

Who designed the designer?

Answer 10

No. Intelligent design was just a christian hoax designed to discredit legitimate science. It has been shown to be fraudulent