This proves the Trinity is real?

Question

Have you heard about this? In the Old Testament, in the original Hebrew it refers to God in some parts as Elohim. The thing is, that is plural.

Do you think this is refering to the Trinity?

I believe this is evidence of God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. They are all seperate, but one.

Answer 1

Why I can’t believe in the royal we, idea to Genesis 1:26 and 3:22,

If Jehovah talked with the royal we or us, etc, why did He only do it only 4-5 times.

Why didn’t He or doesn’t He continue to do to so through out the bible.

Why didn’t He use the royal we at Gen. 1:29, 30 only 3 verses later, or Gen. 2:18, Gen. 3:11, 15
and through out the rest of the bible? Why at Isa. 6:8, does Jehovah say “Whom shall I send”?

Job 38:4-7 shows that the angels were existing at the creation of man, so Jehovah wasn’t alone and had many spirit creatures to talk to.

Instead, which sounds more real and truthful, that Jehovah was talking to someone who is His Master Worker, His Firstborn Son, His Faithful Witness, who is His image, His exact representation, OR He was talking to Himself. (Prov. 8:30; Heb. 1:3; Col 1:15)

Bible scholar Donald E. Gowan said “There is no support in the O[ld] T[estament] for most of the proposed explanations: the royal ‘we,’ the deliberative ‘we,’ the plural of fullness, or an indication of a plurality of persons in the Godhead.

Why does the word Elohim according to Strong’s Cyclopaedia, when it applies to Jehovah means Supreme God, not Gods? Even when this word is applied to Moses (Ex. 4:16 & 7:1) it doesn’t mean that there are 3 Moses, it doesn’t even mean there are 2 Moses.

(Side point when Jesus said if you see me you see the Father, it is because he is the image of God, the exact representation of his Father. When you see an image in a mirror you are seeing a representation, not the actual person. Col 1:15)

(Side point, According to my college dictionary, begotten means “to be born”, to be born means “brought into life or being” when was Jesus brought into life, when he came to life as a baby? No, as Jehovah’s Firstborn of creation Col. 1:15; Rev 3:14)

Elohim, means
gods
or the Supreme / True God,
or magistrates (See Strongs)

Dictionaries provide alternate meanings not accumulative meanings.

“Yahweh Elohim” literally Means “Yahweh the Supreme / true God”

Example
Bob is a personal name, or it means ‘to move up and down’.

So if we say, “Bob is in the living room.”

This doesn’t mean someone named Bob is moving up and down in the living room.

Or my all time favorite is,

“Fast”, this word can mean

1) move very quickly,
2) or move not at all,
3) or to stop eating for a period of time.

It doesn’t mean all three at the same time.

Either the rabbit is moving quickly, the rabbit is not moving at all, or the rabbit is not eating.

The same is true with Elohim When the translators use “God” for the translation of Elohim, they have chosen “Supreme / True God” as the definition.

It doesn’t mean “Supreme God AND 3 Gods” at the same time.

The translators understand that when the Hebrew writer said Elohim in reference to Jehovah, it means that Jehovah is the Supreme God of the Israelites, not the mutli-gods of the Canaanites.

Moses is called Elohim, (Ex 7:1, In the original Hebrew ‘as’ is not there (KJV).
The original reads: “Yahweh made Moses Elohim (God) to Pharaoh”

Does that make Moses equal to Jehovah?
Does that make him 3 Moses?

When Manoah called the angel of Yahweh “Elohim” at Judges 13:21, 22

Was he saying this angel is equal to Jehovah?
Was he saying this angel was a part of 3?

When Jehovah calls the judges (magistrates) of Israel ‘Elohim’, do they become
part of the Godhead? (Ps 82:6)

Yet Jesus himself said his godship was equal to those human judges at John 10:30 - 36.

These ‘gods’ are not false gods, nor are they the true God, Yahweh.

They are
1) representatives of Yahweh,
2) spokesmen for Yahweh,
3) they have been the power of life and death over the ones Yahweh as appointed them over.

Are they equal to Yahweh? NO, they owe their godship to Him. (1 Cor 8:4-6)

Moses, the angel of Yahweh, the judges of Israel, even Jesus can become false gods,
IF WE WORSHIP THEM.

Did you notice that as you typed those verses, you had to ‘add’ words to them to make them say what you wanted?

Yes Jesus is the High Priest but he is also God’s apostle (Heb 3:1)
When did the High Priest become equal to the God he worshipped?

Jesus is also the ‘First born of all creation’ the ‘beginning of creation by God’
According to Harpers Bible Dictionary, First born means ‘oldest’.

Therefore Col 1:15 can honestly read: He is the oldest of all creation.

Col 1:14, 15 says the Son is an image of God.
When did image worship become acceptable?

1 Cor 4:6, Don’t go beyond what is written so as not to become puffed up with pride.

John 10:30 -36.

The Father and I are one (What?).

Context, Context, Context:

One what? The Greek word ‘one’ literally means ‘one thing’ or ‘in unity’

vs 25 Jesus tells us about the works he and the Father are doing.

vs 29 Jesus tells us that “What the Father has GIVEN ME (works to do) is greater than all other things”

vs 30 the Father and Jesus are united, one.
(spirit in the context, is the motivating / united spirit individuals share,
example: The students had great school “spirit”)

vs 32 Which works are you stoning me for?

vs 33 – 35 Jesus tells us he is equal to the human gods of Ps 82:6.

vs 36 Jesus identifies himself not as his Father but as his Father’s Son (John 8:42-45),
Jesus is the Son, not part of the Son, Jesus is the Christ, not part of the Christ.

vs 37 believe the works.

The context to John 10:30 shows: I and my Father are one (united in works).
This agrees with John 17:11, 20 – 22;

Do you realize that to believe that Jesus or the Christ or the Son (Col 1:13-15) is more than an image of God is to be blinded by Satan?

If we believe that Jesus or the Son is more than an image we are an unbeliever.

2 Cor 4: 4 among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.

Again I pray, that the God (Yahweh Elohim) of Christ Jesus (the Word / Son of Yahweh Elohim) gives you wisdom.

Answer 2

Absolutely not.

Isaiah 43:10  Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11  I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. "King James Bible"

Isaiah 44:6  Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

When applying to, ’Elo·him′ is used as a plural of majesty, dignity, or excellence. (Ge 1:1) Regarding this, Aaron Ember wrote: “That the language of the O[ld] T[estament] has entirely given up the idea of plurality in [’Elo·him′] (as applied to the God of Israel) is especially shown by the fact that it is almost invariably construed with a singular verbal predicate, and takes a singular adjectival attribute [’Elo·him′] must rather be explained as an intensive plural, denoting greatness and majesty, being equal to The Great God.” The American Journal of Semitic Languages and Literatures

The title ’Elo·him′ draws attention to Jehovah’s strength as the Creator. It appears 35 times by itself in the account of creation, and every time the verb describing what he said and did is in the singular number. (Ge 1:1–2:4) In him resides the sum and substance of infinite forces.

In many places in the Scriptures ’Elo·him′ is also found preceded by the definite article ha. (Ge 5:22) Concerning the use of ha·’Elo·him′, F. Zorell says: “In the Holy Scriptures especially the one true God, Jahve, is designated by this word; ‘Jahve is the [one true] God.
"Lexicon Hebraicum Veteris Testamenti, Rome,"

Answer 3

Yes. The more yo read the more you will find that the Old Testament paints a picture of who God is and how he will come. When Christ comes in the New Testament you see Him making Himself Equal to God the Father. That is why He was crucified. I like Col. personally. Where it describes Christ as the creator. And if you look in Deut. (dont remember exact verse at this time) but the same word used to describe the Spirit "hovering" over the waters in Genesis, ithe same as a mother eagle "hovers" over her young in Deut. Showing God the Father, Christ, and the Spirit are the same and all had a part in Creation.

Answer 4

The Jews explain this away as a comment on the all-powerful nature of God. But that is a cop out. The fact is that Elohim means "Gods".

Even the Shema uses the term "One", or Echad. Which is a compound unity. Yet they will argue up and down on that as well.

Isaiah 48:16
"Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord GOD and His SPIRIT Have sent ME."

Charity - Read my study here...
http://www.schneblin.com/studies/pdfs/is_god_one_or_three.pdf

Answer 5

The Trinity is implied all over the O.T. and revealed perfectly in JEsus in the N.T. Keep in mind that The HOly Trinity isn't meant to understood as some complex theological dogma, but God wants us to know him through our families! Marriage and our earthly families are made in the image and likeness of the true perfect heavenly family: The Holy Trinity. We can know who God is and live out God's life in our families. God bless.

Answer 6

Since the Old Testament was written by *Jews*.Why not ask a *jew*? Honestly in my lifetime only talking to a handful of Jewish folks. They laugh at the concept of self-described christian trying to back-up Trinity in the OT. Thats it. I laugh with them.

Answer 7

The Holy Trinity came about when christianity came about.
It has some connect to peganism. I watched on the History
channel.

Answer 8

No, it means that God and Satan are plural.

The trinity is an invention of church folks.

Answer 9

most likely.....why else would god be in the plural?

Answer 10

Yes, I have read that,it was interesting.I want to study it more.