I agree.
"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world."
Psalm 19:1-4
20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
Romans 1:20
2007-09-03 05:21:55
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answered by Matthew 4
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OK. For the sake of argument, let's say I accept your reasoning, which can be simplified this way: The Universe is extremely complex, and it seems more plausible to ascribe this complexity to an organizing intelligence than to mere randomness.
1) This argument only demonstrates the existence of a creating force, not necessarily a moral divinity. A man can also create a watch, etc... That doesn't make him a God.
2) Even admitting that the sheer complexity of the Universe would require divine intervention, this argument only goes to furthering the idea of A God, not necessarily the one you want to believe in. It does nothing to further te idea that Mohamed, Jesus, or anybody else, had any kind of special revelation. That still must be accepted on faith. For all we know, this God had no intention of being known to us otherwise than through the material experience of the world we all share.
As for healings and such, traditional medicine practitioners from all faiths claim to have come up with amazing results. So who do I believe? According to Japanese traditional medicines, the explanation is Ki, and not Jesus.
2007-09-03 05:12:14
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answered by Anonymous
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First, I'm glad you recovered and I hope you stay healthy.
Second: It's interesting how you speak of your illness and the cure:
You say "my stomach lining was eaten away because of an eating disorder," rather than "I was sick and one of the consequences of the sickness was damage to my stomach lining."
Then you say "I was healed," rather than, "I got better and my stomach lining repaired itself."
You speak of both your illness and the cure as if they both came out of nowhere, as if neither had an actual physiological cause. But your doctors can tell you -- if they're honest -- that both illnesses and cures do have causes, even if those causes are not yet fully understood. It's a HUGE leap in logic to go from "not fully understood" to "well, that means god must have done it."
No.
I've suffered from depression, another condition whose cause is not fully understood; I was treated for it and I recovered, and again, nobody can fully explain that either -- but it seems very likely that it had something to do with the therapy and meds that I used.
I understand that you feel life is precious; this is a perfectly natural feeling. But this does not mean that there is any such thing as a creator or prime mover; rather, it means only that there is much that you, and we, do not yet understand about the universe.
Jumping to the "god did it" conclusion gets us nowhere.
2007-09-03 05:41:31
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answered by Anonymous
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Because there isn't any. You've cited nothing that even comes close. Show the tie between any of the natural phenomena you mentioned.
The scriptures, written by men, are no more proof the existence of a god than Tolkien's works, which are much better literature.
ADENDUM
"I don't know why I keep answering these "evidence" questions."
Well, so far, you have failed every time. Maybe, someday, you'll have something, but I'll not hold my breath.
2007-09-03 05:20:50
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answered by Anonymous
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"Look around, the earth, the sky, the seas..... How is it said that their is no evidence" Science has a reasonable explanation for these things.
"Healings are real" ever hear of the possitive affect effect? Probably not.
Your stomach being healed after an eating disorder: Ever hear the term "homeostasis" or "immune system" look them up.
More proof: fossils, carbon dating, DNA, the fossil record, the proven age of the Earth...need I continue?
You're not wrong for believing, nor am I wrong for not believing. Believe what you want and leave the rest of us alone.
However that being said no one can prove he is real without a reasonable doubt nor can someone disprove he exists without reasonable doubt.
One of the things you will be taught in a reasoning class is that "Just because something cannot YET be explained does not mean that it is due to supernatural forces. Humans are just ignorant to how/what causes it.
2007-09-03 05:16:34
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answered by Megegie 5
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1. the boy who was brought back to life is not Gods doing
it was coincidence
2. the eating disorder you had which has been healed is not God. It is your own body that overcame the illness it has
If God can heal those people and restore people why do people die everyday?
why are they not restored or healed?
when people are handicapped mentally what can they believe?
why do we need doctors?
why has God made this world far from perfect?
wheres your ultimate creator?
2007-09-03 05:18:36
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answered by Anonymous
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Well, honey, most of those things that you've attributed to your god have naturalistic explanations. We have a pretty good handle on the beginnings of the universe, for example. I saw my mother revive a boy who had drowned and stopped breathing when I was a kid--it's called CPR, and it's pretty common. No deity there. Stomach linings heal... I myself had ulcers for years, and one day they just started getting better as my diet and stress levels got better. No deity there, either.
If you want to believe, that's fine. Go right ahead and believe. But the things you list to me as "evidence" that there is a god just aren't evidence. Apply Occam's Razor, and cut out the magical middle man. I've never once seen anything that couldn't be explained rationally. I've never seen any evidence that there's a god.
2007-09-03 05:15:48
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answered by N 6
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It doesn't work that way. Do you need evidence that the tooth fairy isn't real or do you assume she's fake until proven otherwise? In other words, there's no need for evidence to prove that something doesn't exist. The evidence is needed to prove it DOES exist. By the way, I healed myself from alcoholism, drug use, and smoking all without god. It's nice that you got better. But attributing it to god is absurd to the rest of us.
2007-09-03 05:17:59
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answered by Dethklok 5
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The earth is evidence that there is an earth. Most "healings" are diseases that go into spontaneous remission, a miraculous healing would be an amputee who re-grew a limb. I am not saying your experiences are invalid, I am suggesting that there could be another explanation.
2007-09-03 05:15:04
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answered by atheist 6
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So the sky and seas are proof of God's existance? Hmm, thats not really proof, is it? What about the Big Bang theory? And your healing experience could also be put down to the power of suggestion.
2007-09-03 05:12:48
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answered by Anya 2
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