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this question is only for people who believe in the conditional security of the believer, eternal security people, please do not answer this question, thank you.

If you believe that your salvation is conditional - or that you can forfeit your salvation - how can you be assured that you are saved? how do you know? for example - are you sure you haven't sinned today? what about all the sins you commit that you aren't aware of? what about all the sins of things you are supposed to do that you failed to do? are you sure you covered everything? what about all your sins in your thoughts and your heart attitudes, are you sure that you never sinned in your heart? or in your thoughts? wouldn't you be living in fear? trying to make sure you did this and didn't do that? then isn't the focus on yourself and your ability to do this or that and not on what Christ did for you. How can He give you a gift and then take it back. What about if we are faithless He remains faithful?

2007-09-02 18:20:18 · 2 answers · asked by art_flood 4 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

there are several verses which are used to back up the conditional security view, but are you sure that's what those verses mean? it seems that if you have one view point you can find verses to back up each viewpoint - but I never see anyone who can balance out the verses on both sides. I just hear verse A from the eternal security people and verse B from the conditional security people and most likely if you answer this question you'll say the same verses everyone else uses

2007-09-02 18:22:06 · update #1

but what I don't see are conditional security people who also address the verses that the eternal security people claim and vise versa - trying to make sense of both sides.
thanks

2007-09-02 18:22:56 · update #2

2 answers

I'm afraid that's far too deep a question for this forum.

2007-09-02 23:30:57 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 0 2

I might not qualify to answer your question, since I am convicted of my eternal salvation. In your question though you talk about lots of sins. What about this sin, what about that sin? My salvation doesn't come from my lack of sin (hah!) but from God, who in His grace sent His son to die for my sins, WHILE I WAS YET A SINNER!
So it is "All about Him!" I believe in what's called "unconditional election", and "invincible grace", two of the pillars of the reformation, and the U and I in the five points of Calvinism, which are scriptural. But I also read about the response which should be in my own heart. Not one of trying to figure this out logically, but of living a life of thankfulness, of being a sacrificial husband and father in my family, etc.

And I also read of such difficult texts as Rev 3:5 and 22:19, which seem to talk about the ability to be blotted out of the book of life (and is that equal to being saved or not?) by God.

My comfort comes from knowing that God transcends human limitiations of login and understanding, and that every time when I say: "Amen", God has heard my prayer already more certainly than I know it in my heart that I asked something of Him (Paraphrased from the Heidelberg Catechism, See http://www.canrc.org/resources/bop/hcat/hcat3.html#52) For which your last question/quotation from 2 Tim 2:13 incidentally is a proof text.

I don't understand all this, but I am assured from the Word of God. You can read more from the Canons of Dort Ch 1, Art 12 and 13: http://www.canrc.org/resources/bop/candort/index.html#A12

I hope this helps even though I kinda disqualified myself early on, and it is a pretty deep topic to try to resolve on yahoo answers.

2007-09-04 15:42:22 · answer #2 · answered by Gerrit B 4 · 0 0

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