Trinity doctrine- So God sent himself to earth....to pay the ransom for our sins....to himself...to save us?

Question

from a situation that he created himself....
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what?

Answer 1

You know how when you tell one lie, you tell more and more to cover your ***? Christianity: Largest web of lies ever created.

Answer 2

Well dear Lindsey P's Raid Account ... you're making a bit of a category error. Sorry to be so stuffy but ...

The doctrine of the Trinity was pieced together, largely using Greek philosophical terms, centuries after the Christian writings that came to be considered scripture were put together. It's like two different cultures.

The later Christian thinkers tried to reconcile Greek thinking about a God-man, and references to experiences of on-going inspiration ("Holy Spirit"), with an "of course we must still be monotheists" axiom.

So, it does eventuate in some tortured logic ... but, that ain't really the point (though, sadly, very many a Christian doesn't realize that that's not the point, either, and they try to insist on hanging on to logical consistency).

It's all mythic language ... MORE true and potentially beneficial than logic. How something entirely human can be something entirely divine ... that's some POWERFUL cognizing there, but it's not logical. How many things can be just one thing ... ditto.

You see that archetypal stuff across the board in the worlds' spiritual symbology, but when you begin to take it literally -- whether as a professing Christian or as an "anti-Christian" -- you're not taking it seriously enough.
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Answer 3

Don't for get he was going to be consecrated by himself for himself. Then Jesus said that my father is greater I, which according to Trinity doctrine, he was saying that his self was greater then himself, then when someone called Jesus good master, he basically said why do you call me good? There is only one that is good, and that is God. So God was saying God's not good while Saying he is good at the same time. Jesus at the end calls God his God, so God was calling himself his God.

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Basically to keep a long story short the trinity was created in the Nicea Assembly and there is much proof that the 2 references of father, son and holy spirit, in 1 John epistle was a complete addition later on - I can provide proofs, and that the ending of Matthew was an addition later.

Answer 4

The two are not mutually exclusive. By fulfilling the Old Testament and its prophecies, Jesus carried out God's long-range plan for humanity, which is announced in Genesis 3, which was ultimately to save us.

Answer 5

God did not cause our situation, Satan did. The conflict between Satan, a fallen angel and God was going on before creation. The introduction of sin into the world was not God's plan, God created a perfect garden of Eden where man, and animals would live in communion with God. God and Jesus exist in perfect communion before creation and outside the physical world and outside time.

The Father and the Son are in perfect agreement concerning salvation. God loves his created children and will spoil the plans of Satan.

Answer 6

"One may say with one's lips: 'I believe that God is one, and also three' - but no one can believe it, because the words have no sense."
Leo Tolstoy

"According to the celestial multiplication table, once one is three, and three times one is one, and according to heavenly subtraction if we take two from three, three are left. The addition is equally peculiar, if we add two to one we have but one. Each one is equal to himself and the other two. Nothing ever was, nothing ever can be more perfectly idiotic and absurd than the dogma of the Trinity."
Robert Ingersoll
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Answer 7

Source of all the false Chruch's doctirnes and beliefs including the trinity:

http://philologos.org/__eb-ttb/default.htm

the Bible does not teach that God is a trinity.
http://www.livingcog.org/cgi-bin/lcg/studytopics/lcg-st.cgi?category=FalseReligion1&item=1116550111

Answer 8

The Blessed Trinity:
1. God The Father (Father of all creation)
2. God The Son (Jesus was sent to earth by immaculate conception and portrayed to us here on earth who God is)
3. God The Holy Spirit ( He is a Holy Spirit)

Read John 3:16:
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son (Jesus) that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life!

Answer 9

Really. I had a hard time with this when I was considering being baptized. Mainly because everyone was telling me that I had to accept that Jesus died on the cross for my sins. I did not necessarily buy that. I think the importance was lost here -- people focused on His dying, but should have emphasized only the resurrection. That Jesus rose again, walked among the people -- that was what the point was. He died so he could rise again -- to teach us that there is more beyond the grave.

Yeah. That Bible definitely gets in the way of some wonderful philosophies of life and living taught by a man who would be God.

That's why I got my nose out of that book . . . .

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Answer 10

That's close to some Christian interpretation. Here's another that makes more sense (why does an infinite eternal God need a ransom? How silly!):

http://www.urantia.org/papers/paper10.html

Answer 11

There is no such thing as the Trinity, This is largest lie that Satan uses to keep people from knowing who the True God is, if he can do this, he's got you.

He has cleverly kept a large proportion of mankind in darkness by means of false religion, making them think that they are serving God. Lacking in accurate knowledge of God and in love for truth, they may be attracted by mystical and emotional religious services or be impressed by powerful works.

“Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Matthew 24:36) How do these words confirm that Jesus is not Almighty God?

Jesus says that the Father knows more than the Son does. If Jesus were part of Almighty God, however, he would know the same facts as his Father. So, then, the Son and the Father cannot be equal. Yet, some will say: ‘Jesus had two natures. Here he speaks as a man.’ But even if that were so, what about the holy spirit? If it is part of the same God as the Father, why does Jesus not say that it knows what the Father knows?

1st of all Jesus said: He pointed to God as the Source of his life, saying, “I live because of the Father.” According to the context, this meant that his life resulted from or was caused by his Father, even as the gaining of life by dying men would result from their faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice.

Jesus’ being called the “only-begotten Son” does not mean that the other spirit creatures produced were not God’s sons, for they are called sons as well. However, by virtue of his being the sole direct creation of his Father, the firstborn Son was unique, different from all others of God’s sons, all of whom were created or begotten by Jehovah through that firstborn Son. So “the Word” was Jehovah’s “only-begotten Son” in a particular sense,

Jesus is also “Mighty God” and “Eternal Father.” This does not mean that he usurps the authority and position of Jehovah, who is “God our Father.” (2 Corinthians 1:2) “He [Jesus] gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.” (Philippians 2:6) He is called Mighty God, not Almighty God. Jesus never thought of himself as God Almighty, for he spoke of his Father as “the only true God,” that is, the only God who should be worshiped. (John 17:3;


Rev. 1:1; 3:14, RS: “The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him, why did God have to give the revelation to Jesus, if he is God? .

Does the Bible teach that none of those who are said to be included in the Trinity is greater or less than another, that all are equal, that all are almighty? Mark 13:32, RS: “Of that day or that hour no ones knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Of course, that would not be the case if Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were coequal, comprising one Godhead. And if, as some suggest, the Son was limited by his human nature from knowing, the question remains, Why did the Holy Spirit not know?)

John 14:28, RS: “[Jesus said:] If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.”

1 Cor. 11:3, RS: “I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.” (Clearly, then, Christ is not God, and God is of superior rank to Christ. It should be noted that this was written about 55 C.E., some 22 years after Jesus returned to heaven.

A person who is really seeking to know the truth about God is not going to search the Bible hoping to find a text that he can construe as fitting what he already believes. He wants to know what God’s Word itself says. He may find some texts that he feels can be read in more than one way, but when these are compared with other Biblical statements on the same subject their meaning will become clear. It should be noted at the outset that most of the texts used as “proof” of the Trinity actually mention only two persons, not three; so even if the Trinitarian explanation of the texts were correct, these would not prove that the Bible teaches the Trinity.