Eternal Security / Once Saved Always Saved is False and Very Dangerous...?

Question

Eternal Security is False and easily refuted. Many people want to believe in this doctrine but yet seem to fail to know that its dangerous and gives us a license to sin. This means that i can kill, steal, commit adultery, rape and without repentance i am still saved. This is sad and very dangerous and i believe it to be a hugh deception of the devil. I pray that people would really study on this subject instead of just listen to others, Their are way more scriptures that support "One can loose their Salvation" than people know.

Once Saved Always Saved REFUTED!
http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/cat1c.htm

What does it take to Loose your Salvation?
http://eternalsecurity.us/lose_your_salvation_in_two_easy_.htm

I ask all who are studying this subject to read this book:
"The Believers Conditional Security", its hard to refute and disagree with. The Eternal Security Doctrine is very very dangerous. God bless

lit-the-light

Is see your understanding is quite off. you speak of a different eternal security but not the same as what im talking about, When we come to christ do we not still have free will? So we do have the power to murder, rape etc, just because someone does these things does not mean that they weren't saved at first. We have free will to do anything we want, the main thing is...Will we let the spirit lead us? if you don't then these sins can follow. Eternal Security is different from what you speak of.

Wussupmang

I have given you links, i can't post every single scripture on my details as you have knowledge of. Nobody can snatch us out of Gods hands but don't we have the power to walk away? Yes we do. God gives eternal life to those who follow and obey him. Please read harder so that you may understand.

Answer 1

Let's see what Gods Word says. NOTICE the words IF and CONTINUE!

Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

Joh 15:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

Act 13:43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

Act 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel,

1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

Look at the word "IF" in this verse.
1Jn 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

Answer 2

where in scripture does it say that can lose our salvation. What if for all the years you were a believer, you "did not sin"=by the way we are liars if we say that 1 John 1 tells us that, and then just before you die, you do something to lose your salvation because you did not repent before your last day on earth. What good was Jesus dying on the cross to give us eternal life. GRANTED eternal security cannot give us license to sin. That would be cheap grace, and it cost Jesus His life. As believers we will desire to sin less and less, and we have the power of the blood to keep us from sinning, however we can and do still sin, and God is faithful to forgive us, but like I said if you sinned after becoming a Christian and died before you repented His payment would be for nothing. If salvation was conditional then Jesus did not pay the price, AND HE DID

Answer 3

I have to agreed. This is very false and very dangerous. Having someone that would believe can cause them to stumble to point that their soul go to hell not realizing the truth behind it. When being a christian, pretty much giving your life into the Lord. Meaning you cant continue to do the same stuff that you did when you were in the world. We are suppose to be different from others, not the same! God Bless!

Answer 4

You cannot lose your salvation. The problem is that most have a false salvation in the first place. They believe that since they once signed a card for membership at a church, or said 'the sinner's prayer', or consented to the Lordship of Christ that that is all that is necessary. The devils believe in Christ, however, they are not saved.

Those who appear to have 'lost' their salvation, are those who are like in the parable of the sower. The seed fell on rocky ground. They initially consented, and spang up out the soil which was on the rocks, but soon the root dies, and thus they show that they where never truly grounded in truth.

Not one that the Father has given His Son shall be lost. Those who are truly saved can never lose their salvation. Those who appear to lose it, never really had it in the first place.

1 John 2:19
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Answer 5

I agree with you 100%.

As my husband mentioned, if the Angels who were in the presence of God can reject God and fall, so can a Christian who decides to cheapen God's grace and forgiveness. That doesn't mean that every sin causes you to lose salvation. But someone who refuses to be transformed by Christ is deluding themselves.

Answer 6

I don't take sides in this debate. When people ask me about it I refer them to this passage and tell them to do what it says and don't worry about it.

2 Peter 1:5 For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, 6 and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, 7 and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love. 8 For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For whoever lacks these qualities is so nearsighted that he is blind, having forgotten that he was cleansed from his former sins. 10 Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to make your calling and election sure, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall.

The OSAS debate should be confined to the classroom and not be used to divide the body of Christ. The idea that it is dangerous because it "gives us a license to sin" denies the power of the Holy Spirit to convict born again believers and to perform the work of sanctification.

What is dangerous is for people to believe that if they live a good enough life then they are on their way to Heaven whether they have been born again or not.

Romans 8:9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

John 3:3 Jesus answered him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."

1 John 3:9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.

Answer 7

I have pondered this myself. I am not comfortable in my own salvation because I believe it has to be earned, and maintained. Daily. "Never to be remembered again" but if you do it daily without regard for the Lord, I don't know if you would still be OK. I really think a lot of people that think they are saved and OK, and really aren't.

Answer 8

I think there is a point of paradox where a person claims with their lips they received salvation but in their heart they did not. In the same chapter that Jesus said not to judge to condemnation, he said to identify people by their fruit. I don't go telling Christians who sin that they didn't receive salvation, but I ask them if they are convicted and tell them they should test themselves whether they truly received it in their heart, because "those who have this hope purify themselves."

If a person has TRULY received salvation, then they are saved from sin past present and future. But if they continue habitually in sin, they need to ask if they really received salvation by believing in their heart.

Answer 9

Once saved always saved is true. Because to be saved you had to ask God into you heart and believe in Jesus Christ. Christians rewards are based on the works that God had set up for us before we were. You may get to heaven but it will not be a very good place for you if you don't follow the Fathers will for your life. If you are going against the Fathers will you time on this earth will not be very pleasant either. Note that many who call themselves Christians are not since they have never asked Jesus into their lives. When they die they will face the judgment.

Answer 10

You did not fully understand this eternal security. Once you are already God's adopted child, you are already His child forever. So, God will never permit you to kill, rape or commit such crimes against humanity for God is already your Moulder into your new lifestyle. If one who claim to be God's child and yet he is doing and had done this crimes and sin against God and humanity, then, that man is a liar.

If God cannot secure your eternal destiny, you can't secure, too! And leave that God! How can you believe in that God if that God Himself cannot give you any assurance of your destiny?

So, eternal security and assurance is logical and reasonable.