For liberals: What would you be willing to fight and kill for?

Question

Support for the war on terror seems to be waning among liberals and given voice by the Hollywood elite. Would you be willing to fight if the US was the only country not under
Sharia law and was being pushed from all sides. If you would fight at that point then why would you wait until the fighting takes place on your doorstep? If you would still not fight then when would you?

Wrong number; you know you're not telling the truth. The military in every war has always been more conservative than liberal just as it is today.

wrong; explain what you mean by legitimate.

Gramma I didn't say a word about Iraq. You did. Are you feeling a bit guilty about not showing complete support for our troops?

Plus I didn't tell anyone what to fight about. I just asked the question. You put your own spin on the answers or how you read the question. Isn't pyschology fun?

Before it comes up; I was a career Navy veteran and served in couple of hot spots in my time.

I noticed something else, nobody answered the question. Nobody has said what exactly they would fight for or where they would draw the line. Is this too hard?

Going back and rereading... Gramma, you would kill me? For what? Why? What did I do to you?
I pissed off about China too and how Clinton started the ball rolling with Loral, Kray computers, and selling the democratic party to the chicoms.

Okay Gramma I'll give you credit that you probably don't want to kill me but would you kill to protect a Somali child, or a Sudanese woman, how a Haitian man about to be gruesomely murdered in front of you?

Cat boy and Stanley; My original question had absolutely NOTHING to do with Iraq you made it part of the question. Think about this question from a philosophical point of view; what if the question were for convervatives only? The question is still valid! Do conservatives know what they believe in? So for all of you who claim partisanship, or an agenda I just sunk your battleship with overwhelming logic. This question is a request for information and your answers and biases have framed your non responsive answers. The truth is that I'm studying psychology at the moment and your response will figure prominently in my research. Thank you.

Answer 1

You posed an interesting question. Whenever I cite the following, my more "progressive" friends wonder which right wing nut job said it:
"If a man cannot find something he is willing to die for, that man is not fit to live".
The fellow who said it was Martin Luther King, Jr. !

Answer 2

Gee, where do I fit. I am clearly not liberal, but then George Bush is clearly not conservative. Would a balance budget not be a conservative ideal. Was this war necessary, knowing the cost. I may not have known how badly the war would turn out when it began but those who took us into it should have. How do we correct our mistakes. We may be learning how to fight the insurgents better, but can we make peace between religious groups who have been fighting each other for over 1000 years.

I find it harder and harder to label myself. I don't hear from anyone a policy I can believe in. I don't know how we can get out of the predicament Bush has put us in but I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel.

I agree we were right to go into Afghanistan and we have not done too badly despite mistakes. We should continue there to finish the job. But we were wrong to go into Iraq ill prepared and without overwhelming support from the world. We also should have had overwhelming support from the American people, a majority is not good enough as should be apparent by now.

I have trouble not supporting the war because I believe that creates more danger for our troops and makes their job harder. Yet our leaders have yet to convince me they have a plan for success.

I have one other gripe that has bother me for the last 5 years. Why are our soldiers, who willingly go forward to fight on our behalf not worth the millions we gave to each person who lost their lives on 9-11.

Answer 3

I'd fight and kill to save any American whose life was threatened. If you're thinking about 9/11, most of us were willing to look for bin-Laden and his terrorists in Afghanistan. We even thought getting rid of Saddam was a good idea, but invading Iraq and stirring up the bees nest there was not in our plan. Don't try to make us feel guilty for not supporting an illegal war! We were tricked into this mess and we resent it! We resent the lies and the disrespect and I, at least, am furious about borrowing and selling our soul to China. And, you should be too!

I responded to your question with my first sentence. The added comments from you were all hypothetical situations. What kind of answers do you expect? You insinuated we liberals would not fight. You are wrong...again!

That was a typo...sorry...fixed it...so give me credit!

YOU mentioned the "war on terror"! Where is that war being fought? Can you say, "Iraq"? The question was a transparent one, meant to goad liberals, and we all know it. Good luck in your psychology class. Some of us have been studying and using the subject for many years. People skills is part of the curriculum.

Answer 4

I have to agree with Dead Fox and Grandma Arlene. I stand on the same grounds as they mentioned. Why is it that so many people are using these categories (usually democrats are known as liberals and republicans as conservatives). What does that make a conservative liberal? Support for this war has been on a downward spiral for a while now-not just lately. It's not only on a downward spiral among 'us liberals' yet, it is on a downward spiral among the conservatives, as well. I, too, resent the fact that we were fooled into believing that Iraq was an immediate threat. It angers me to no end that we could be lied to (and the lies and liar exposed !) and still half of America re-elected him??????? Those lovely married ladies with their sweet little families (which was said to have made his majority vote count) should think about their own children and what they would have their sons and daughters die for. I'm a single mom who has struggled for years and years to raise my children on my own (with no help). I, as I would expect my children to do ; would be willing to fight for our neighbors, friends and family. And yes, to die for them if need be! I hope this answers your question. And don't mess with our dog either.

Answer 5

"Would you be willing to fight if the US was the only country not under Sharia law and was being pushed from all sides"?

That's your question I'm guessing? Yes, I would be willing to fight and die for that. However, neither you or anyone from the Neocon camp can prove to me that either Iran, Iraq, or even Saudi Arabia has the military strength to outwit and overpower American forces. Even if they were to all join together and attack us, which they would NEVER do because of all the religious factions within their countries, we would still be able to beat them.

Why? Because in Islamic countries religion comes first and the country identity comes second in terms of importance.

In America our country identity is #1 and our religious identity is #2 for most people. All of us united for country could kick their butts because there is so much division among Muslims and they are FAR more loyal to their tribes than they are to their nation.

I'll tell you the best way to defeat terrorism---get our hands out of their oil wells.

Answer 6

John, you're very correct. No one answered your question. Everyone in Hollwood has their agenda also.

16 major Republican hating news media groups can definitely cause a riot....day in and day out.

The younger generation is heavily influenced by the peace doves and "shell shocked" veterans who now live in the hills of mountainess regions of several states, not to mention the conscientious objectors from Nam era.

We were once a powerful free nation and admired by the majority of the world. But....as the conscientious objectors raised a 2nd generation, and they....a 3rd, we're now back in the "Make Love, Not War" zone again.

As we raise these children, they again will tell their children, "Don't Worry, they're on another continent. Continue growing your flowers and your peace symbols because America is great and we will overcome, with love".

The news media has continued to put tremendous cramps in the war. Our men don't know whether to $hi+ or go blind for fear of having civil suits when they return from a war they believe will do some good. The news media continually pounds out statements about killings that weren't justified (thank you for biased embedded news media).

The Best Country In The World 's stigma is worse now than ever because of embedded biased media, 2nd and 3rd generation children brainwashed from a few Viet Nam Vets into believing that if we "leave it alone, it won't hurt us continentally", not to mention the aggressive way that slightly subliminal messages are given to them at an early age to whereas they believe what Mom and Dad told them about "Make Love, Not War", and lastly, you know how it is......when you spend much time gathering lynch mobs and hatred for war (which has saved entire civilizations since time immemorial), causes the Sheriff of the town to be the a$$hole of the world as he's attempting to perform operations without saying anything to the public regarding things that would be detrimental if they were revealed. Contrary to some's belief, the public DOESN'T need to know ALL covert operations and things that actually protect the public behind the lines.

The people who can't answer what they'd fight for are the same people who read Guardian crap and the New York Times with their biased opinions about how the leaders of our great country SHOULD be doing. Well, some things take time. Grown people are just like children, in a way......I remember President Bush at "Ground Zero" saying something similar to "This terrorist fight will not be a short fight. This will be a long drawn out fight". But, as with children, people get bored, listen to the hyped up news media, get a huge burr in the butt as it's not going the way they want (i.e. fly in, kill binladen, fly out, and we're all a happy country again).

There will also be the people who come back at this and say "Hey, I'm my own person. No one told ME how to feel about this war. I made my OWN decision!" I say to that.........No you didn't.

Answer 7

Don't tell me what I would or wouldn't fight for.

You don't know me, so don't judge me. You pretend you know so much. What you know is bullshit, obviously. I'm sick of this generalization and labelling over a few views.

Yeah, I have a few liberal views... So I kill babies, love terrorists, smoke pot, hate America and am gay?

Yeah, I have a few conservative views... So I am Christian, hate alternative views, hate gays, and am racist?

It's ridiculous and quite frankly if you want your question to be directly answered by anyone who has anything actually intelligent to say you're going to have to ask an equally intelligent question. I know what I would fight for. And you, well you don't get the honor of knowing that. When you show respect you'll get some.

Answer 8

I can't think any two people more left-wing liberal than George "Looney" Clooney and Sean "Leaky" Penn. They both believe that the U.S. should pull all our forces from Afghanistan and Iraq and beat up on insurgents in Darfur. They find this a reasonable warzone because the leaders there are violent, mass-murdering dictators. I don't see the difference in the reason we went into the two previously mentioned ones. I mean, didn't we get involved due the same situations? And please, don't start the argument that we are there due to oil (check the stats-we receive less than 3% of our oil from Iraq and Afghanistan)!

Answer 9

I would be willing to fight for your right to ask a question that makes a blanket statement that liberals aren't interested in defending America.

I would be willing to fight for your right to gloss-over the Big Picture, and be fooled by George Bush's propaganda machine.

I would be willing to fight for your ability to simplify ideologies, political theories, and divide Americans into either with you or against you.

...And I would be willing to fight, had we gone to war with the right countries to begin with.

Answer 10

I would be willing to fight if our country was invaded or attacked by another sovereign nation, such as Japan did to us in WWII, whatever their reasoning was for doing it at the time.
I am not willing to lose lives and the treasury for a war of choice by the elite.