I need some real proof of who is Babylon the Great?

Question

I have seen this asked a lot of times but to me it is important because in Revelation it seems to be what launches us into the last days.

Revelation 18:2 And he cried out with a strong voice, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, and she has become a dwelling place of demons and a lurking place of every unclean exhalation and a lurking place of every unclean and hated bird! 3 For because of the wine of the anger of her fornication all the nations have fallen [victim], and the kings of the earth committed fornication with her, and the traveling merchants of the earth became rich due to the power of her shameless luxury.”
4 And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if YOU do not want to share with her in her sins, and if YOU do not want to receive part of her plagues. 5 For her sins have massed together clear up to heaven, and God has called her acts of injustice to mind. 6 Render to her even as she herself rendered, and do to her twice as much, yes, twice the number of the things she did; in the cup in which she put a mixture put twice as much of the mixture for her. 7 To the extent that she glorified herself and lived in shameless luxury, to that extent give her torment and mourning. For in her heart she keeps saying, ‘I sit a queen, and I am no widow, and I shall never see mourning.’ 8 That is why in one day her plagues will come, death and mourning and famine, and she will be completely burned with fire, because Lord, God, who judged her, is strong.

Answer 1

Daniel 11: and the 12 chapters The final campaign of the king of the north is not directed against the king of the south. Therefore, the king of the north does not come to his end at the hands of his great rival. Similarly, the king of the south is not destroyed by the king of the north. The king of the south is destroyed, “without [human] hand,” by God’s Kingdom. (Daniel 8:25) In fact, at the battle of Armageddon, all earthly kings are to be removed by God’s Kingdom, and this evidently is what happens to the king of the north. (Daniel 2:44) Daniel 11:44, 45 describes events leading up to that final battle. No wonder “there will be no helper” when the king of the north meets his end!
However, we do know what action the king of the north will soon take. Moved by the reports “out of the sunrising and out of the north,” he will conduct a campaign ‘in order to annihilate many.’ Against whom is this campaign directed? And what “reports” trigger such an attack?
The destruction of Babylon the Great is graphically described in the book of Revelation, which states: “The ten horns that you saw [the kings ruling in the time of the end], and the wild beast [the United Nations], these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire.” (Revelation 17:16) Why will the rulers destroy Babylon the Great? Because ‘God puts it into their hearts to carry out his thought.’ (Revelation 17:17) Included among these rulers is the king of the north. What he hears “out of the sunrising” may well refer to this act of Jehovah, when he puts it into the hearts of human leaders to annihilate the great religious harlot.

Revelation 17:15 And he says to me: “The waters that you saw, where the harlot is sitting, mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues. 16 And the ten horns that you saw, and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire. 17 For God put [it] into their hearts to carry out his thought, even to carry out [their] one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished. 18 And the woman whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth.”

City that has a city over the kings of the earth. So it can't be the kings of the earth. Or any one nation.


Revelation 18:15 “The traveling merchants of these things, who became rich from her, will stand at a distance because of [their] fear of her torment and will weep and mourn, 16 saying, ‘Too bad, too bad—the great city, clothed with fine linen and purple and scarlet, and richly adorned with gold ornament and precious stone and pearl, 17 because in one hour such great riches have been devastated!’
“And every ship captain and every man that voyages anywhere, and sailors and all those who make a living by the sea, stood at a distance 18 and cried out as they looked at the smoke from the burning of her and said, ‘What city is like the great city?’ 19 And they threw dust upon their heads and cried out, weeping and mourning, and said, ‘Too bad, too bad—the great city, in which all those having boats at sea became rich by reason of her costliness, because in one hour she has been devastated!’

That is the commercial element that stands at a distance so it cannot be greedy commercialism.

What has gotten rich off the people of the world? What has a kingdom over the governments that they are in bed with. Or they use to control the people?
Isn't it religion?

Answer 2

It's a city. When the antichrist builds his kingdom on earth, he will rebuild the ancient city of Babylon, located in modern day Iraq, which will be destroyed again before Christ's return. The city will be a place of great sin and evil before it is destroyed.

Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquake. No earthquake like it has ever occurred since man has been on earth, so tremendous was the quake. The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath. Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found.
Revelation 16:18-20

Answer 3

Three tablets or carved rocks that agree with biblical accounts don't prove that the whole bible is accurate or truthful. It only shows that some parts were either written at about the same time, or that those particular oral accounts handed down from one generation to the next until they were written down didn't get distorted too much. Based solely on your question, it's hard to tell for sure what side of the issue you take. If you want to prove the bible as true, you could start by finding unambiguous, testable, repeatable, irrefutable evidence that a god exists. Anything that powerful should leave some evidence of it's existence. Then prove that a heaven and hell exist. Then duplicate some of the miracles.

Answer 4

In Revelation the prophet uses the language of the past to talk about the future. Cities like Babylon and Sodom (Rev 11:8) were no longer around when John wrote that. When he speaks of them, he wants to use them as symbols of something else and not to literally mean those cities.
In Revelation 18 he also reminds us of the sayings of a past prophet about the literal Babylon of his day, see: Jeremiah 51:45

See also the prophecies in Daniel. First there is Nebuchadnezzar's dream, in which the head of gold is explained as Nebuchadnezzar's kingdom, and the other parts as future kingdoms. The same thing is later repeated in Daniel's visions of various beasts, whcih give more details on the other kingdoms. In the same way, in Revelation there are cycles of repetition where the prophet has visions of the same thing but using new symbols and giving more elaboration on details.

You should therefore compare "Babylon" in Revelation 18 with what is said about Babylon in other parts of Revelation.

During the Protestant reformation, the Protestants interpreted the prophecies about future events in Daniel and the Revelation as being about a sequence of things that would unfold down through history until the end of the world, we could call this a historicist approach, and they identified "Babylon" and antichrist in Revelation as the Papacy. Catholic theologians came up with two different ways of interpreting Revelation in order to debunk this interpretation: Preterism, which teaches that the prophecies are about things that have happened prior to the present and have already been fulfilled, and Futurism, which teaches that they are about things in the distant future that have not yet happened. Both these views later became accepted within Protestantism as well.
http://www.champs-of-truth.com/books/3schools.htm
http://biblelight.net/antichrist.htm

For an example of a historicist interpretation, see Smith's Daniel and the Revelation:
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=p4vZfqNEypUC&dq=&pg=PP1&ots=JF2KJKSn2W&sig=LszGgAUETgz7kOIy56PGSIXSGrM

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/clt4/drtoc.htm
See especially Chapters XVII and XVIII on Babylon

Answer 5

Babylon the Great is the World Empire of False Religion who has committed fornication with Nations of the World. The destruction of False Religion is soon to come. Babylon the Great will be destroyed by the same nations she has been fornicating with. That is why God is commanding us to get out of her before we are destroyed together with her. The Bible also mentions that the Traveling Merchants are mourning her, asking why this has happened to her, because now they cannot make money out of her.

Answer 6

There is no particular city today which personifies Babylon. Babylon was, in the time of ancient Israel, a city which had become sensual, decadent, and corrupt. The principal building in the city was a temple to a false god, which we often refer to as Bel or Baal.

Babylon is often also used as a symbol for the wickedness of the world. That sensuality, corruption, and decadence, and the worshipping of false gods are to be seen in many cities, great and small, scattered across the globe. As the Lord has said: “They seek not the Lord to establish his righteousness, but every man walketh in his own way, and after the image of his own god, whose image is in the likeness of the world.”

Too many of the people of the world have come to resemble the Babylon of old by walking in their own ways, and following a god “whose image is in the likeness of the world.”

One of the greatest challenges we will face is to be able to live in that world but somehow not be of that world. We have to create Zion in the midst of Babylon.

Answer 7

Babylon was the city of false religion and is used as example of the worldwide false religion.

Answer 8

Rev. 17;
the beast is the USA.
the harlot on hte beast is the leadership of the USA.
(Current ?).
The kings of verses 10-12 represent empires.
The harlot of Rev.18 is a continuation of Rev. 17.